Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:54 pm
I neither understand why jasnah would preemptively fakeclaim Miller nor understand why BunnyGo would fake counterclaim Miller.
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A cursory browse tells me it's M65, if it's the only other game they playedTom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:40 pmCan someone remember what specific game jasnah carried town in? I don’t know who this is?
Bona when have you ever been popular?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:53 pmme
Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:00 pmI find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.
So imo D1 we kill one of jasnah or Bunny and D2 we kill the other unless we have an oracle on the other given that a cop scan can't guarantee the scum false claim isn't a godfather.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:48 pmHello again, dinner's simmering so I have a few minutes and things to say in order from most important to least:
1) Ghug convinced me in the pregame that Miller should hold their claim at least until there is a CC
2) Town players have a duty to trust the other town and make life easy for them
3) Just because a teammate is playing in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean you should respond by playing in a way you disagree with
4) People have their own work, and I have mine. I'm doing mine now.
5) I have no idea why Jasnah would hardclaim Miller
a) She's scum; why claim? There was no reason
b) She's town; why claim? To get me to claim? This is anti-town. But see rules 3 and 4 for my response.
6) It is towny for the Miller to clear things up for teammates when it gets weird enough. I hard claim Miller. Go look for all my MANY crumbs.
7) ##Vote Jasnah ##end. While I don't know which of option 5a or 5b is true, I don't think we can let her live either way in a no-reveal game.
8) @Durga, I don't know why you push me hard every day 1, while also ignoring me or not addressing me. But you do (and you kgray, but you I understand and interact with). Your record isn't great, since I haven't been scum much lately. You crow loudly the one time you're correct; but now you eat crow again for getting me when I'm non-vanilla town. You do it when I try hard; you do it when I sit back; you do it when I'm nasty; you do it when I'm polite. That's your work to decide if you're going to change, and mine how I'll respond in the future. So far I think I'm ok with how I did it this game.
Back to dinner and kiddos and back in a couple hours.
please don't talk about possible miller claimsDoom427 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:49 pmI thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so
Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having
They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?snowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:03 pmIs it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:00 pmI find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill
lfischl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:03 pmWait when did you think that the miller claimed?Doom427 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:49 pmI thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so
Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having
I have seen dumber things happenTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:05 pmThey are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?snowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:03 pmIs it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:00 pmI find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill
I've played with you like twice Bunny, the last game I played you were scum. The game before that I recall defending you. I don't remember you from anything else. Maybe you were third party in one game. I haven't played in months so idk about my record.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:48 pmHello again, dinner's simmering so I have a few minutes and things to say in order from most important to least:
1) Ghug convinced me in the pregame that Miller should hold their claim at least until there is a CC
2) Town players have a duty to trust the other town and make life easy for them
3) Just because a teammate is playing in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean you should respond by playing in a way you disagree with
4) People have their own work, and I have mine. I'm doing mine now.
5) I have no idea why Jasnah would hardclaim Miller
a) She's scum; why claim? There was no reason
b) She's town; why claim? To get me to claim? This is anti-town. But see rules 3 and 4 for my response.
6) It is towny for the Miller to clear things up for teammates when it gets weird enough. I hard claim Miller. Go look for all my MANY crumbs.
7) ##Vote Jasnah ##end. While I don't know which of option 5a or 5b is true, I don't think we can let her live either way in a no-reveal game.
8) @Durga, I don't know why you push me hard every day 1, while also ignoring me or not addressing me. But you do (and you kgray, but you I understand and interact with). Your record isn't great, since I haven't been scum much lately. You crow loudly the one time you're correct; but now you eat crow again for getting me when I'm non-vanilla town. You do it when I try hard; you do it when I sit back; you do it when I'm nasty; you do it when I'm polite. That's your work to decide if you're going to change, and mine how I'll respond in the future. So far I think I'm ok with how I did it this game.
Back to dinner and kiddos and back in a couple hours.
I think we should decide which one we believe, vote out the other one, and stick to our guns. No need to 50/50.
I do not think jasnah fake claims Miller with no pressure on her as scumsnowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:03 pmIs it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:00 pmI find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill
I agree?Durga wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:12 pmI do not think jasnah fake claims Miller with no pressure on her as scumsnowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:03 pmIs it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:00 pmI find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill