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Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:37 pm
by worcej
I'll be hosting a mini-mafia game to buy more time for the shenanigans that will be M69.
Setup is this link, but with modifications:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ster_Mafia
The modifications are:
- The doctor role is not a one shot, but is a regular one.
- Mafia get a faction RB to combat the doctor and cop.
- The Jester cannot claim they are the Jester or Mafia in order to get their win condition (which is to die during the day phase). In any event that they do, they automatically lose.
To trial something new: This game will have 24 hour phases, day and nights, and there will be NO POSTING in the main thread during night phases.
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Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:40 pm
by worcej
Start date is subjective to getting enough people, but goal would be on Monday, July 5th at 2:00 PM PT (UTC-8 for you non-heathens)
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:43 pm
by worcej
Win conditions:
- Town wins when they eliminate all of the Mafia. The Jester does not need to be eliminated in order for town to win.
- Mafia wins when they control 50% of the vote.
- Jester wins if they die via a day kill. They lose if they are NK'ed or are alive when the Mafia will control 50% of the vote.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:43 pm
by worcej
Also, the Jester winning does not end the game.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:16 pm
by dargorygel
Thanks, worcej!!!
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:09 pm
by ghug
I'm in.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:22 pm
by Hamilton Brian
Giddy up! Thanks Worcej!
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Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:01 pm
by dargorygel
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Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:04 pm
by bozotheclown
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Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:14 pm
by xorxes
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:37 pm
- The Jester cannot claim they are the Jester or Mafia in order to get their win condition (which is to die during the day phase). In any event that they do, they automatically lose.
This sounds unenforceable.
Can they say "I am NOT the Jester *wink* *wink*"
Can they claim cop/doc?
What if they propose that everyone claim that they are Mafia, but they refuse to claim anything?
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:22 pm
by worcej
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:14 pm
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:37 pm
- The Jester cannot claim they are the Jester or Mafia in order to get their win condition (which is to die during the day phase). In any event that they do, they automatically lose.
This sounds unenforceable.
Can they say "I am NOT the Jester *wink* *wink*"
Can they claim cop/doc?
What if they propose that everyone claim that they are Mafia, but they refuse to claim anything?
I mean, it really isn’t enforceable other than the Jester just won’t be considered a winner.
Really, the rule is just there to say ‘hey guys, let’s not try to ruin the mini mafia game with mass claims please’.
And if someone wants to ruin the game as Jester just because they can, then that’s a sad reflection of them.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:33 pm
by xorxes
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:22 pm
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:14 pm
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:37 pm
- The Jester cannot claim they are the Jester or Mafia in order to get their win condition (which is to die during the day phase). In any event that they do, they automatically lose.
This sounds unenforceable.
Can they say "I am NOT the Jester *wink* *wink*"
Can they claim cop/doc?
What if they propose that everyone claim that they are Mafia, but they refuse to claim anything?
I mean, it really isn’t enforceable other than the Jester just won’t be considered a winner.
Really, the rule is just there to say ‘hey guys, let’s not try to ruin the mini mafia game with mass claims please’.
And if someone wants to ruin the game as Jester just because they can, then that’s a sad reflection of them.
Are they allowed to act scummy, like voting for themselves, refusing to scumhunt, etc? I just don't understand what you would deem to count as a claim to be non-town. It is not very difficult to make it clear you are not town without explicitly claiming it.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:45 pm
by xorxes
If town did not need to kill the Jester in order to win, then it would be harder for the Jester to get themselves daykilled by being blatantly scummy.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:49 pm
by Hamilton Brian
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:56 pm
by worcej
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:33 pm
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:22 pm
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:14 pm
This sounds unenforceable.
Can they say "I am NOT the Jester *wink* *wink*"
Can they claim cop/doc?
What if they propose that everyone claim that they are Mafia, but they refuse to claim anything?
I mean, it really isn’t enforceable other than the Jester just won’t be considered a winner.
Really, the rule is just there to say ‘hey guys, let’s not try to ruin the mini mafia game with mass claims please’.
And if someone wants to ruin the game as Jester just because they can, then that’s a sad reflection of them.
Are they allowed to act scummy, like voting for themselves, refusing to scumhunt, etc? I just don't understand what you would deem to count as a claim to be non-town. It is not very difficult to make it clear you are not town without explicitly claiming it.
The trick is to act scummy as Jester and eat a daykill in order for you to win as that 3P.
What I don't want to see is claims like 'Hey, I am the Jester town, so listen to me and eventually DK me okay?'
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:58 pm
by dargorygel
It clearly is going to be a somewhat subjective call.
I understood worcej simply to be trying to avoid gaming the role.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:59 pm
by dargorygel
Welcome back, bozo!!!!
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:59 pm
by worcej
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:45 pm
If town did not need to kill the Jester in order to win, then it would be harder for the Jester to get themselves daykilled by being blatantly scummy.
The Jester isn't supposed to be an entirely easy role and could be difficult to pull off.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:16 pm
by xorxes
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:59 pm
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:45 pm
If town did not need to kill the Jester in order to win, then it would be harder for the Jester to get themselves daykilled by being blatantly scummy.
The Jester isn't supposed to be an entirely easy role and could be difficult to pull off.
If town needs to kill them to win, and they need to be daykilled to win, then it's an extremely easy role. Even Mafia would be happy daykilling them. The Jester just needs to make it obvious that they are the Jester, which is easy to do even if they are not allowed to explicitly claim it. Every single player in the game wants to daykill the Jester, how can they not win?
If town does not need to kill them in order for town to win, then the role makes more sense, because if they are outed then they are basically a clear and they have lost since they would never be daykilled.
Re: Mini-Mafia Game - Interesting Facts Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:48 pm
by worcej
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:16 pm
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:59 pm
xorxes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:45 pm
If town did not need to kill the Jester in order to win, then it would be harder for the Jester to get themselves daykilled by being blatantly scummy.
The Jester isn't supposed to be an entirely easy role and could be difficult to pull off.
If town needs to kill them to win, and they need to be daykilled to win, then it's an extremely easy role. Even Mafia would be happy daykilling them. The Jester just needs to make it obvious that they are the Jester, which is easy to do even if they are not allowed to explicitly claim it. Every single player in the game wants to daykill the Jester, how can they not win?
If town does not need to kill them in order for town to win, then the role makes more sense, because if they are outed then they are basically a clear and they have lost since they would never be daykilled.
See the win conditions:
worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:43 pm
Win conditions:
- Town wins when they eliminate all of the Mafia. The Jester does not need to be eliminated in order for town to win.
- Mafia wins when they control 50% of the vote.
- Jester wins if they die via a day kill. They lose if they are NK'ed or are alive when the Mafia will control 50% of the vote.