Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[brainbomb]

so emc thought bona was the jailor and leaked it into walkie chat

[brainbomb]

thats what were eliminating on today? is that emc thinks bona was jailor lol?

[damo666]

brain seems mightily concerned at the Bona wagon but knowing brain this probably indicates they are not scum together

[Maniac]

@Jamie and Jasnah. If you’re both town (I think you are) then Bona D1 VCA looks pretty town to me. I can’t see why scum would move between you two and Chaqa. They wouldn’t care which one of you got daykilled. I think you should both join me on Foxtail. He seemed to want to avoid the lead two wagons D1 even though he implied he scum read Jamie and his vote for Jasnah had no really substance so I just can’t see why he stayed on Jasnah when he was online EOD1. He is scum imho.

[worcej]

I'm afraid so.



This is not good for Town. I wish Macca had read the setup more carefully.

We're pretty screwed now.

I read it. I saw that. However:

I still think you're scum, regardless of the scan. Plus, 4/5 remaining AREA-51 roles are mafia. I don't think you had any choice here then to claim AR, especially since BB already suggested it (you didn't have to even read the setup!).

See, Macca agrees with me

The glaring issue with your logic is that, if true, the real AR is being an idiot and not CC'ing.

[lfischl]

Hey all Im finally here. Had a busy day yesterday and don't have time to read all the thread. Could someone give me a quick summary?

[brainbomb]

it seems like were playing telephone with this wagon.

janey told bill that moe has a yellow hat
bill actually has a green hat
janey tells everyone bill knows the truth
bill thinks moe is wearing orange

[jasnah]

@Jamie and Jasnah. If you’re both town (I think you are) then Bona D1 VCA looks pretty town to me. I can’t see why scum would move between you two and Chaqa. They wouldn’t care which one of you got daykilled. I think you should both join me on Foxtail. He seemed to want to avoid the lead two wagons D1 even though he implied he scum read Jamie and his vote for Jasnah had no really substance so I just can’t see why he stayed on Jasnah when he was online EOD1. He is scum imho.

I like this post.

##vote Foxcastle

[worcej]

Jasnah

no one has claimed an item was stolen
emc did not have his item stolen

therefore HR had his item stolen

or the Alien had their item stolen and doesnt want to claim because it draws attention to themself

Or, item thief waived. Why would you not consider this a possibility? It's viable option if item thief doesn't want to semi-clear anyone and/or wants to stack thefts for late game.

Eh, I think unlikely a waive occurred. The setup encourages theft IMHO.

[Maniac]

@brainbomb “gangfuck” seriously. You’re good with words, I’m sure you can express yourself better than this in games we’re striving to be more inclusive.

[worcej]

because you are voting Jamie

move off and I'll unend

but not if you move to me lol

So you'll solely vote me for omgus?

Not out of his character btw

[lfischl]

so emc thought bona was the jailor and leaked it into walkie chat

Wait Emc leaked something?

[worcej]

<snip>
....Now the question if you, Bona, are the jailer, how did you give yourself away (if at all)?

You're putting the cart before the horse here. You can't assume I'm scum, ask a loaded question, then use my response as proof I'm scum.

See, THIS is a good post Bona. Do more of these.

[brainbomb]

##vote ifischl

[Foxcastle]

@Jamie and Jasnah. If you’re both town (I think you are) then Bona D1 VCA looks pretty town to me. I can’t see why scum would move between you two and Chaqa. They wouldn’t care which one of you got daykilled. I think you should both join me on Foxtail. He seemed to want to avoid the lead two wagons D1 even though he implied he scum read Jamie and his vote for Jasnah had no really substance so I just can’t see why he stayed on Jasnah when he was online EOD1. He is scum imho.

I like this post.

##vote Foxcastle

On the other hand, it's pretty tenuous and basically boils down to Maniac latching on to the one person who didn't actively try to hide in the vote counts.

[worcej]

Bonatogether must be joking. There are four other players voting you including one who's end voted, and although I'm the most likely of the wagon to be voting you for being stupid, pretending like we're all on you for policy reasons isn't a line worth respecting. Looking at your iso you have about one substantive comment every five posts that you write, the others are just snarking like you're trying to play a poor imitation of me. Why are you still voting Jamie?

Why are you guys voting me then? I'm firmly town. There's no possible way there's any kind of scan on me. There's no possible mechanical information on me. There's no scumslip. There's no VCA tying me to scum, or even probable scum, or even possible scum. THERE IS NO CASE.

The case is baked into how you're responding to people pushing at you. It's how you're reacting.

[worcej]

emc and thamrick have been online but not posting

...

This one also made me head scratch...

[worcej]

OK, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I move that we not have a runaway wagon like 15 hours into a day where we desperately need to DK scum. Last night and yesterday I was a lot more chill about town's position, but as I became more and more certain emc was going to be modkilled and was town, combined with HR the town effortposter dead, it became more important to cut down on the waste of scarce public resources.

Everyone is aware of the case for and against Bona. For better or for worse he's been in the limelight long enough that we all know how and why we would kill him off. In the meantime we ought to reinvigorate public discourse and focus attention on some new areas of deliberation.

##vote thamrick

FWIW, can I ask you to expand on the the bolded and underlined above?

Not asking you to violate a GM request or anything, but how did you become more certain he was going to be Modkilled before night phase moved over?

[Vecna]

Jasnah

no one has claimed an item was stolen
emc did not have his item stolen

therefore HR had his item stolen

or the Alien had their item stolen and doesnt want to claim because it draws attention to themself

why would alien decline to reveal their item was stolen?
surely that wouldn't bring any attention that is harmful to them?
i think its much more likely that HR item was stolen though

Can the alien evne be targetted by the item thief? Was that one of the exceptions?

[Vecna]

Maniac is scum
lets kill him

Its somewhat possible I guess that he engineered his starting post carefully and decided to coast on it.

Still, it seemed to put himself out there a lot more than his prior game as scum.

Wait and observe for a bit more?