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Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:42 pm

Hi Kgray,

I assume this is the part you want a response on:

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:28 pm

How does bozo's behavior rule out #4? Couldn't he have just been completely avoiding his real teammates?

That would imply that his team-mates are in a pool of:

Vecna
Celaph
Ifischl
Rdrivera
Dargorygel

He didn't completely avoid Vecna, I don't think. Celaph of course started a wagon on Bozo and declared him a top scumred, but the problem is, that was after Bozo's very last post, so we can't say he was avoiding that, because possibly he was genuinely not around.

We do know that there's a maximum of 1 scum in Ifischl, Rdrivera, and Dargorygel, and possibly none.

Let me modify my comment to say that scenario 4 is not impossible. It's just the least likely, in my opinion.
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Okay, that all makes sense. I did forget about there being max 1 scum in the non-you voters. Except I think scenario 3 should still be less likely from your POV.

Dammit Jamie. Don't you know how to quote things?

I really hope im not wrong on Durga lol. I can only imagine Bozo's face reading all of this if she's actually town.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 pm

Okay, that all makes sense. I did forget about there being max 1 scum in the non-you voters. Except I think scenario 3 should still be less likely from your POV.

Sure, I think scenarios 2 and 1 are the most likely.

I think we have one mis-kil in hand, and the Vig remains hidden, so if we have to daykill both you and Durga to get one of the two remaining scum, so be it.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 pm

Dammit Jamie. Don't you know how to quote things?

Sorry, I was using my pager.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:43 pm

I dno, Bozo especially seems to be quite averse to getting mixed up in arguments with people and having to protect his reasons for scumreads. His last 2 games he just seemed to find a few reasons that sound plausible and run with those.

Maybe in his mind its fine to copy others reasoning if the person is about to flip as his teammate, but he feels he needs justified reasoning to vote for a controversial target?

He put in quite a lot of effort into framing me in that game where you got me killed.

Anyways, im pretty bored with this discussion. Basing your votes and reads solely on things you think scum x would or would not do is not how I want to play my game.

Oh I'm sorry it's boring when I question what you're thinking, especially when by your own admission you're just trying to make people see things your way. It makes total sense that you wouldn't want to explain the thought process behind those statements. Very towny

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:49 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 pm

Okay, that all makes sense. I did forget about there being max 1 scum in the non-you voters. Except I think scenario 3 should still be less likely from your POV.

Sure, I think scenarios 2 and 1 are the most likely.

I think we have one mis-kil in hand, and the Vig remains hidden, so if we have to daykill both you and Durga to get one of the two remaining scum, so be it.

Was Rivera right that we only have 1 miskill? I do not volunteer to be miskilled just so we can get Durga.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:43 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:36 pm

Okay, well my question still stands though. Were my (or anyone's) reasons to scumread Jamie so bad that scum couldn't justify a vote for town!Jamie over scum!Durga?

Maybe he didn't want to push me into becoming an obvious whirlwind of towny indignance, I don't know.

This is actually quite plausible, and probably a much better way of phrasing my point lol

That wasn't your point at all. You said bozo didn't want to have to justify a vote on a townie. Jamie said bozo didn't want to put Jamie in a position where he could obvtown. Why are you being so weird all of a sudden?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 pm

I really hope im not wrong on Durga lol. I can only imagine Bozo's face reading all of this if she's actually town.

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kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:52 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:43 pm

Maybe he didn't want to push me into becoming an obvious whirlwind of towny indignance, I don't know.

This is actually quite plausible, and probably a much better way of phrasing my point lol

That wasn't your point at all. You said bozo didn't want to have to justify a vote on a townie. Jamie said bozo didn't want to put Jamie in a position where he could obvtown. Why are you being so weird all of a sudden?

All of a sudden?

Vecna was born weird.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:52 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:43 pm

Maybe he didn't want to push me into becoming an obvious whirlwind of towny indignance, I don't know.

This is actually quite plausible, and probably a much better way of phrasing my point lol

That wasn't your point at all. You said bozo didn't want to have to justify a vote on a townie. Jamie said bozo didn't want to put Jamie in a position where he could obvtown. Why are you being so weird all of a sudden?

Theyre both the exact same line of thought. Trying to avoid confrontation at all cost.

Im trying to get Jamiet to see reason. Clearly its not appreciated

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:12 pm

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

Tell us about your read on Ifischl.

I feel like Ifischl is pretty low-impact, and that worries me slightly.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:42 pm

Hi Kgray,

I assume this is the part you want a response on:

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:28 pm

How does bozo's behavior rule out #4? Couldn't he have just been completely avoiding his real teammates?

That would imply that his team-mates are in a pool of:

Vecna
Celaph
Ifischl
Rdrivera
Dargorygel

He didn't completely avoid Vecna, I don't think. Celaph of course started a wagon on Bozo and declared him a top scumred, but the problem is, that was after Bozo's very last post, so we can't say he was avoiding that, because possibly he was genuinely not around.

We do know that there's a maximum of 1 scum in Ifischl, Rdrivera, and Dargorygel, and possibly none.

Let me modify my comment to say that scenario 4 is not impossible. It's just the least likely, in my opinion.

Okay, that all makes sense. I did forget about there being max 1 scum in the non-you voters. Except I think scenario 3 should still be less likely from your POV.
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Can't we mostly rule out celaph for getting Bozo? If we did that and Durga/kgray were town vecna is the vote here.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:31 am

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:26 am

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:23 am

It's pretty obvious we should vote in the first pool. I am torn between Durga and Vecna. I want to do some re-read tomorrow before voting.

To be honest I have townreads on everyone in the second group+celaph. I think it’s Durga+kgray or vecna.

Youre probably going to have to reevaluate here for a bit.

Why are you townreading Darg and Rdrivera?

I don't exactly townread them, I just think that the mafia is way more likely to be 2 of vecna, kgray and Durga.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:53 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 pm

I really hope im not wrong on Durga lol. I can only imagine Bozo's face reading all of this if she's actually town.

For 55 dollars you can own this image forever:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124544374747?m ... olid=10001

please no.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:31 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:12 pm

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

Tell us about your read on Ifischl.

I feel like Ifischl is pretty low-impact, and that worries me slightly.

I think that's just how he is? He seems similar to his town game last time. He could be hiding as scum, but he's said enough odd things that make me think he's not scum.

He challenged Vecna here and was sassy to Maniac here. Those don't sound like new scum to me. He kinda obsessed over my vote for damo, but not in a way that made me think he was piggy-backing off of your questioning of it, and he seemed naturally suspicious of it. This response just doesn't feel like something scum would say after their teammate gets surprise-vigged. It bothers me that he doesn't explain most of why his reads are they way they are, but I've had to accept that that's just how some people are, and doesn't mean it's scummy.

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:22 pm

Can't we mostly rule out celaph for getting Bozo? If we did that and Durga/kgray were town vecna is the vote here.

I don't think voting for bozo townclears celaph, but I do think he's town so I'm fine with you mostly ruling him out lol.

Why do you now think Durga and I could be town? Weren't we at the top of your suspect list?

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:25 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:31 am

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:26 am

To be honest I have townreads on everyone in the second group+celaph. I think it’s Durga+kgray or vecna.

Youre probably going to have to reevaluate here for a bit.

Why are you townreading Darg and Rdrivera?

I don't exactly townread them, I just think that the mafia is way more likely to be 2 of vecna, kgray and Durga.

Why do you think this though? You seem to be dodging questions and intentionally avoiding sharing your thoughts.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:35 pm

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:25 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:31 am

Youre probably going to have to reevaluate here for a bit.

Why are you townreading Darg and Rdrivera?

I don't exactly townread them, I just think that the mafia is way more likely to be 2 of vecna, kgray and Durga.

Why do you think this though? You seem to be dodging questions and intentionally avoiding sharing your thoughts.

I think the things that Darg and Rdrivera have said are more towny than the things you, vecna, and Durga have said.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:33 pm

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:22 pm

Can't we mostly rule out celaph for getting Bozo? If we did that and Durga/kgray were town vecna is the vote here.

I don't think voting for bozo townclears celaph, but I do think he's town so I'm fine with you mostly ruling him out lol.

Why do you now think Durga and I could be town? Weren't we at the top of your suspect list?

I don't think you are town, im just saying if you were town, we would vote vecna.