Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

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Re: Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

#801 Post by dargorygel » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:25 pm

dargorygel wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:24 pm
Maniac wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:49 am
Maniac’s blog April 3rd 2003

So we lost two dear friends last night. BB ‘The King’ and Damo ‘The Devil’ Davis. I’m heartbroken, two fine talent men, great player and great men too. Our thoughts and prayers go out to their friends, family, team mates and fans who are in mourning this morning. But we’ve lost something more than two fine men. Bass-ball died a little more last night too. This cancerous cocktail of drugs and cheating just added murder to its rap-sheet. We must work in unison to cut out this cancer.

BB’s phone has given us a clue to who where one or more of the druggies are hiding. Bone, Celaph, Durga, Kgray and Vecna are now the pool with the most attention. Whilst we should concentrate on this pool let’s not forget this reaction to the news that two fine men lost their lives.
dargorygel wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:23 am
RIP brain, and RIP damo

Does anyone see any crumbs from brain?
Was he expecting the mafia to say ‘yeah we notice he coded he was on to us therefore we killed him’?

It looks like dargorygel saw a crumb and helped kill BB the King and his ego is really saying ‘did anyone ELSE see a crumb, aren’t I clever’.

If we voted outside the list dargorygel would get my vote.
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My purpose in asking the question is that if there ARE NOT crumbs (which I could not find, even with brain's propensity to crumb) then perhaps scum killed him for his reads.
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Re: Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

#802 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:25 pm

dargorygel wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:28 pm
bozo's apparently blindness causes him to remain on my 'do not let pitch, due to likely drug use' list.
Blind to what, Jamie's case against kgray? I understand his case, but I can also see a town motivation for the things he finds suspicious.

What do you think kgray's scum motivation was for getting damo DKed?
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#803 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:13 am
Durgas flip is probably one that will give the most answers (and look pretty bad on me if it does turn out to be the scum on the list lol).
I mean, same.
Celaph is the one ill probably gun for personally. Especially if ive been wrong about Jamiet - the way he voted there, and the weird way he pushed Jamiet for the comments just felt odd
I think the way he backed off of his scumread of Jamie now seems kind of odd. Like the whole scumread wasn't based on much in the first place, and he was very quick to accept Jamie's defense like he knew Jamie was actually town?
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Re: Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

#804 Post by dargorygel » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:25 pm
dargorygel wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:28 pm
bozo's apparently blindness causes him to remain on my 'do not let pitch, due to likely drug use' list.
Blind to what, Jamie's case against kgray? I understand his case, but I can also see a town motivation for the things he finds suspicious.

What do you think kgray's scum motivation was for getting damo DKed?
Blind to the suspicious nature of her actions/words. It does not seem to me that you are just 'also' seeing a town motivation. But that you do not see the scum motivation.

Am I missing something? Does scum need additional "Scum Motivation" for a miss day kill? Would she need anything else but that?
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Re: Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

#805 Post by Vecna » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:29 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:20 pm
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:18 pm
You have played like what? 3 games here?

Looking it up on the bot, the last 3 games you played in, Jamiet was scum in two of those, and GM in the third.

Did I miss a game, or are you just making stuff up here to try and make me look bad?
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I don't see how it makes you look bad?
Whether it makes me look good or bad, why state you have played with town jamiet before to disprove my point, when you actually havent?
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#806 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:31 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:50 am
celaph wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:25 am
@rdr can you talk a bit more about your thought process in the last hour of the day?

With roughly an hour to go you voted Damo. The only comment you made previously regarding him is that you thought Damo was laying low. Is that why you voted him? Your only comments after catching up expressed concern with the way that the Damo wagon formed yet you left your vote there seemingly content.

With roughly 4 minutes to go you expressed in interest in moving your vote to from Damo to Bozo if others were interested too. Where did that desire for a bozo wagon come from? He was a viable wagon an hour before EoD when you first voted Damo. He was still viable though less so when you commented about the formation of Damo's wagon. And he had 3 votes on him for over 20 minutes before you expressed interest in voting him.
You summarized it pretty well. I had to spend time (help with homework, make dinner, play a board game, etc) with family, so I didn't check the game for around 3 hours. I was 5 or 6 pages behind and I was the only non voter. I checked the bot and wagons are Durga, Bozo and Damo. On the 3 I decide to vote Damo more as a placeholder while I catch up.

After catching up I thought Damo's reaction to pressure was towny and also found weird how Bozo wagon just died with both Vecna and Bona jumping to Damo as soon as I voted. I told I might move to Bozo to see if Vecna and Bona were willing to do the same. They just ignored it.

##vote Bona
Why Bona? Do you think he's anything like he was last game?
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Re: Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

#807 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:35 pm

Maniac wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:12 am
Also well done BB The King for asking the question. I know you’ve taken slack for it but if the answer had of been ‘NO’ you would’ve given us five clears and a massive advantage. People criticising you are result oriented.
Yeah so I think this is probably not the most compelling argument, but this is the opposite of the condescending criticisms we saw from scum!Maniac last game. Pretty sure he's town.
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Re: Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

#808 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:38 pm

celaph wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:13 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:44 am
celaph wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:08 am
Ultimately I think bb's question says very little about the 5 of us that were voting Jamie. We're sitting at 8 town 3 scum giving us two miskills before kilo. I agree with lfischl's comment that scum is unlikely to kill any of us. That is especially true as they have to pick their kill before we finalize the dk and so they can't respond well to us DK'ing scum assuming the wagons are close.

I think the more useful implications are around Jamie. The fact that scum was on his wagon makes him more likely to be town. If someone on that wagon was bussing my gut would be kgray given how she left it for Damo.
Its interesting that Celaph is the only person (besides me) that has made any mention of Jamiet potentially being bussed
I wasn't just the only one really talking about bussing, I was the only one (before you) talking about the implications for Jamie in general. Makes me think that Jamie isn't scum with Durga, kgray, or Bona. So unless you're the scum in us 5, I think Jamie is town.
Why can't any of us be scum with Jamie, but Vecna can?
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#809 Post by Bonatogether » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:41 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:29 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:20 pm
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:18 pm
You have played like what? 3 games here?

Looking it up on the bot, the last 3 games you played in, Jamiet was scum in two of those, and GM in the third.

Did I miss a game, or are you just making stuff up here to try and make me look bad?
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I don't see how it makes you look bad?
Whether it makes me look good or bad, why state you have played with town jamiet before to disprove my point, when you actually havent?
I never said that I've played with town Jamie.
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#810 Post by Vecna » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:42 pm

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#811 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:43 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:28 am
Kgray - Instrumental in getting Damo daykilled. Started the Damo wagon despite apparently having no good reason for scumreading Damo. Her posts regarding Damo at the time of voting him were totally different from her usual incisive questioning behaviour. Kgray grilled me relentlessly, examined my points in detail, and pressed me hard. Did she do this to Damo? No.

Kgray did not ask Damo any questions! Let me say that again: Kgray created and pushed a Damo wagon and did not ask Damo any questions. Isn't that interesting?
Damo wasn't around for me to interrogate like you were, and his avoiding the game was part of why I scumread him. But I did ask him some questions. I asked him to explain his reads, which he didn't do, and I asked him why he was still voting for Durga, which he answered when he was on the block at EOD.
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#812 Post by Vecna » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 pm
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:32 am
Going after Jamiet for an easy misskill as scum.....I guess people unaware of his old meta could make those statements lol

For your information: Whenever town-jamiet was being unfairly accused, he always used to go completely ballistic and would townclear himself very easily with his rage. Going after him for an easy misskill is not something that happens.

The fact he only did this once (against durga, where he could muster a genuine outburst because his towngame was insulted) is one of the reasons why im suspicious still. But then again, he has tried to control this habit more recently, even though its one of his most effective tools lol.
That hasn't happened in any game I've been in, and he did seem like an easy target.
So what were you trying to say here then?
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#813 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:46 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:48 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:46 am
You feel Bona reacted anxious to the Brainbomb reveal?
Yes.
Why do you think this?
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#814 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:47 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:51 am
It is interesting that all 5 Jamie voters ended up voting for damo and never voted for Durga, but they can't all be scum. However, we know at least one is scum, and whoever that is avoided the Durga wagon. Bonatogether, celaph, and Vecna also voted for me between voting for Jamie and damo when I was a counter wagon to Durga.

It looks like there may have been an attempt to save Durga, so finding out Durga's alignment gives us the most information about D1.

##VOTE Durga
Well, Vecna and I both pretty blatantly saved her.
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#815 Post by Bonatogether » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:48 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 pm
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:32 am
Going after Jamiet for an easy misskill as scum.....I guess people unaware of his old meta could make those statements lol

For your information: Whenever town-jamiet was being unfairly accused, he always used to go completely ballistic and would townclear himself very easily with his rage. Going after him for an easy misskill is not something that happens.

The fact he only did this once (against durga, where he could muster a genuine outburst because his towngame was insulted) is one of the reasons why im suspicious still. But then again, he has tried to control this habit more recently, even though its one of his most effective tools lol.
That hasn't happened in any game I've been in, and he did seem like an easy target.
So what were you trying to say here then?
That I had never seen jamie get as mad as you say he does as town
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#816 Post by Vecna » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:49 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:48 pm
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 pm


That hasn't happened in any game I've been in, and he did seem like an easy target.
So what were you trying to say here then?
That I had never seen jamie get as mad as you say he does as town
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#817 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:52 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:10 pm
@Kgray - why were you so opposed to a Durga vs Bozo D1?
I didn't want Durga to die because I want to play with her, and because I think the things that she did D1 are NAI (but won't be if they continue later in the game, to be fair). And I don't support bozo as a D1 kill in general because I think he's a very good solver later in the game when he's town.
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#818 Post by Vecna » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:53 pm

kgray wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:52 pm
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:10 pm
@Kgray - why were you so opposed to a Durga vs Bozo D1?
I didn't want Durga to die because I want to play with her, and because I think the things that she did D1 are NAI (but won't be if they continue later in the game, to be fair). And I don't support bozo as a D1 kill in general because I think he's a very good solver later in the game when he's town.
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#819 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:54 pm

kgray wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:46 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:48 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:46 am
You feel Bona reacted anxious to the Brainbomb reveal?
Yes.
Why do you think this?
Hmm. I'm not sure. On a re-read, perhaps it doesn't seem that way. I withdraw this remark.
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#820 Post by kgray » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:55 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:22 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:11 pm
@Bozotheclown
@Vecna

What do you think about my observations on Kgray, and specifically the way she pushed the Damo wagon without (a) having a good reason for it, and (b) without asking him any questions?

I'd really like your thoughts, and if possible I'd like you to specifically address both (a) and (b).

Thank you in advance.
This question becomes a lot easier to answer after we see Durga's flip imo. Regardless, I dont see why she'd focus on damo while there was a much easier Bozo wagon there.
Wouldn't the obvious answer be that bozo's my teammate?
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