MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

my job is not to force my opinion down your throat but it was my progression away from gut read to more analytical which is an evolution of investment and the celerity Ive been granted by not being an elim option

But you're wrong

[brainbomb]

my job is not to force my opinion down your throat but it was my progression away from gut read to more analytical which is an evolution of investment and the celerity Ive been granted by not being an elim option

But you're wrong

The thread is public record of words and actions. All I displayed was factual happenings which you were part of.

[Bonatogether]

my job is not to force my opinion down your throat but it was my progression away from gut read to more analytical which is an evolution of investment and the celerity Ive been granted by not being an elim option

But you're wrong

The thread is public record of words and actions. All I displayed was factual happenings which you were part of.

Actual events but incorrect extrapolations

[brainbomb]

Can you defend Bunnys day one play? Rather than focusing on yourself and trying to dismiss a case vs you there was alot that connected dots but also alot that really pointed to bunny just filling the thread with bullshit day 1 to the tune of 300 posts. Are you convinced hes just town?

[Bonatogether]

Can you defend Bunnys day one play? Rather than focusing on yourself and trying to dismiss a case vs you there was alot that connected dots but also alot that really pointed to bunny just filling the thread with bullshit day 1 to the tune of 300 posts. Are you convinced hes just town?

I think he's more likely to be scum, but I am town.

[brainbomb]

And I dont think I was saying ghug was forced in interactions. But donny has looked pretty forced in a few interactions with people

[kgray]

I was thinking to myself that you were going to claim this. Then thought: If he does claim this, what are the odds he kept it to have bulletproof and gamble on nobody taking lover while claiming to discard it.

I don’t know. But I think they’re decent.

Yeah.

Wanna explain this response? kinda looks like two scum buddies relieved that ifischl isnt a bp.

@Bunny why did you think lfischl was going to claim to have discarded that role?

[brainbomb]

its nice to just go reread the game and look at posts you maybe missed or interactions that feel off, instances of inexplicable things. Perceptual errors, people saying things in a way that feels TMI or out of step. Donny had a lot of parroting where he creates his reads from someone elses most random off the cuff in the moment hottakes. I saw it on a number of pages

[kgray]

If you're voting one of those two, you should def vote bunny and keep bona. Bona is confirmed town.
Imo bunny is probably also town, but better to go after.than bona.

I would refrain from saying bona is conftown, but he is rather unlikely to be scum because of how much he stuck to his views under pressure.

Hedging. Clearly scum.

lemme put it this way: there is literally nothing more bona could have possibly done to convince me of (his/her(?)) township.
It is glaringly obvious that either bona has an absurd winrate in every talking/diplomacy game ever for being the greatest manipulator, or bona is town. Llooks like a town smells like a town and acts like a town. Bona is town.

Agreed that bona is town, but disagree about Bob being scum. Hedging is NOT scummy.

[brainbomb]

donny feeds a few egos in there

[kgray]

I largely agree with you, but conftown is a stretch, unless we're using different definitions of the term here. I consider bb, demon and kgray all much more confirmed than Bona. Bona comes fourth on the list but there's still a chance he may not be town which I shouldn't be boycotted for pointing out.

The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.

In any case it's better to not push it.

lmao wow bona

[Donny Dude]

its nice to just go reread the game and look at posts you maybe missed or interactions that feel off, instances of inexplicable things. Perceptual errors, people saying things in a way that feels TMI or out of step. Donny had a lot of parroting where he creates his reads from someone elses most random off the cuff in the moment hottakes. I saw it on a number of pages

Yeah, I have been doing that because seeing those posts gets my mind thinking.

[kgray]

The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.

There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.

Why would anyone ever CC brainbomb?

[brainbomb]

its nice to just go reread the game and look at posts you maybe missed or interactions that feel off, instances of inexplicable things. Perceptual errors, people saying things in a way that feels TMI or out of step. Donny had a lot of parroting where he creates his reads from someone elses most random off the cuff in the moment hottakes. I saw it on a number of pages

Yeah, I have been doing that because seeing those posts gets my mind thinking.

I do think ive pushed you on this before

[Donny Dude]

its nice to just go reread the game and look at posts you maybe missed or interactions that feel off, instances of inexplicable things. Perceptual errors, people saying things in a way that feels TMI or out of step. Donny had a lot of parroting where he creates his reads from someone elses most random off the cuff in the moment hottakes. I saw it on a number of pages

Yeah, I have been doing that because seeing those posts gets my mind thinking.

To add on, different perspectives can sometimes make me see something I may have missed or look for something different.

[kgray]

Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away

Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.

He has a point. We ideally don't want to info flip unnecessarily, so I'd say only vote celaph if you think he's scum still. Also because there are two scumteams, unless the mafia is absolutely massive, even if town is outnumbered that doesn't mean that town loses, because either mafia needs to have majority or aliens need to have a very small town to guarantee a win.

Okay, well I still think celaph is scum :)

[brainbomb]

M55
Donny gets day 1 elim and his flip is concealed he was town

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#948 Post by brainbomb » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:54 pm

donny is sponging alot.
like with numerous posts, shooting rhk, my reads, ect
there are other examples
someone wanted massclaim
then he wanted ppl to rate their roles on a 1-10
then he wanted clarity on chaqas role

im.not seeing much solving by donny




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#949 Post by brainbomb » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:55 pm

donny doesnt display independent thinking.
his most independent manuevers involved role hunting

[brainbomb]

so yea you do this as town.
thats good, it means you support others ideas as town

[BobMcBob]

I would refrain from saying bona is conftown, but he is rather unlikely to be scum because of how much he stuck to his views under pressure.

Hedging. Clearly scum.

lemme put it this way: there is literally nothing more bona could have possibly done to convince me of (his/her(?)) township.
It is glaringly obvious that either bona has an absurd winrate in every talking/diplomacy game ever for being the greatest manipulator, or bona is town. Llooks like a town smells like a town and acts like a town. Bona is town.

Agreed that bona is town, but disagree about Bob being scum. Hedging is NOT scummy.

Thank you kgray. And also props to ezio for making sure I still haven't had a game where I wasn't shot down by someone for hedging. He did this in M50 too.

[brainbomb]

we call it parroting or sponging. but there isnt anything scummy about it as long as its natural and sincere.