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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3601 Post by ghug » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:41 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:39 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:26 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:19 am

I largely agree with you, but conftown is a stretch, unless we're using different definitions of the term here. I consider bb, demon and kgray all much more confirmed than Bona. Bona comes fourth on the list but there's still a chance he may not be town which I shouldn't be boycotted for pointing out.
The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.
I kinda doubt it. Maybe I've just been confuzzled by bb though, it seems like something he likes doing. At the very least bb and kgray are my top townreads regardless.
Why do you townread them?

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#3602 Post by BobMcBob » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:44 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:41 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:39 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:26 am


The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.
I kinda doubt it. Maybe I've just been confuzzled by bb though, it seems like something he likes doing. At the very least bb and kgray are my top townreads regardless.
Why do you townread them?
Already explained it in my D1 reads post, my opinion has only strengthened since then.

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#3603 Post by ghug » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:45 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:44 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:41 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:39 am


I kinda doubt it. Maybe I've just been confuzzled by bb though, it seems like something he likes doing. At the very least bb and kgray are my top townreads regardless.
Why do you townread them?
Already explained it in my D1 reads post, my opinion has only strengthened since then.
Pretend I'm too lazy to find that post and explain it again.

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#3604 Post by Bonatogether » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:46 am

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:26 am
The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.
There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.

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#3605 Post by ghug » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:47 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:46 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:26 am
The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.
There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.
That's because CCing brain is stupid.

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#3606 Post by Bonatogether » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:48 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:47 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:46 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:26 am
The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.
There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.
That's because CCing brain is stupid.
I'm pretty sure kgray has said (or at least said things that only make sense if) she's mason with him as well.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3607 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:50 am

jasnah wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:06 pm
Actually on second thought I don't really want to get ghug that much.

And Maniac's post several pages ago makes me rethink going for celaph.

I'm not keen on getting Maniac either.

##vote emc
Why did you/don't you want ghug? What about Maniac's post makes you think celaph's a bad choice?

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#3608 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:51 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:48 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:47 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:46 am


There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.
That's because CCing brain is stupid.
I'm pretty sure kgray has said (or at least said things that only make sense if) she's mason with him as well.
Wait what? I'm like 10 pages behind but I promise you I didn't say I was a mason with brain :lol:

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#3609 Post by ghug » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:52 am

kgray wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:51 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:48 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:47 am


That's because CCing brain is stupid.
I'm pretty sure kgray has said (or at least said things that only make sense if) she's mason with him as well.
Wait what? I'm like 10 pages behind but I promise you I didn't say I was a mason with brain :lol:
Nope, sorry, it's been decided.

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#3610 Post by BobMcBob » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:54 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:45 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:44 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:41 am


Why do you townread them?
Already explained it in my D1 reads post, my opinion has only strengthened since then.
Pretend I'm too lazy to find that post and explain it again.
I could copy paste, but I'm too lazy. Kgray has been very helpful, reasonable and solvey so far in a way that seems very genuine. Bb has just been absolutely all over the place but seems genuinely emotionally invested and town motivated. I don't think that's news for anyone.

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#3611 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:56 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:10 pm
kgray wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:50 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:38 pm

We saw last game how effective it is if cop's just sit under the radar and hold reports til late on. I don't trust damo, I think there's a lot of motivation for scum to fake there because they can skate by on it for days and cause a lot of shit, and I don't see why there'd be a rush on a psycho either or not. At the end of the day we want the cop(s) to live for a long time, and end up with a lot of reports on the same alignment, so the psychotrooper isn't really that big a deal anyway - If a cop comes out with a load of guilties they're going to know full well they've been psycho'd regardless.
But what if the cop(s) don't live for a long time? Isn't it better for them to subtly shift votes in the right direction as we go, and not sit on a bunch of info that doesn't help us until later, if it ever does? It's not like they're just keeping that info to themselves - they can't trust it at all, so it doesn't even help them solve.

You're probably right about getting lots of one result indicating whether or not we have the psychotrooper in play but I feel like that's gambling on the cops going the distance, and personally I think that the sooner town has info to steer us in the right direction, the better.
I look at it this way: The psycho information will only be useful when we have outed reports. Ideally, we really don't want to be outing reports - Especially this early in the game. And we really, really don't want to be wasting miskills on people that wouldn't actually give us clear information (because damo still wouldn't be clear *regardless* of which alignment celaph flipped).

And then throw in the fact that it's extremely unlikely that any of the investigatives that aren't damo are going to be able to get a bunch of reports without some of them dying - And hey presto, we have a very good chance that those investigatives are already going to be able to work out if there's a psycho in play without wasting a miskill in the first place
Can someone tell me if this makes sense or not? I still feel like figuring out if scans can be trusted asap is worth it, even if those investigative townies only use that info for their own reads and don't out.

I'll think about it more when I'm sober.

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#3612 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:58 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:16 pm
Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away
Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3613 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:00 am

Donny Dude wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:35 pm
ghug wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:37 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm


its weird you remembered every player
I used the bot for the last six (and rd, sorry rd).
Ghug, am I that forgettable this game?
Donny and ghug aren't scum buddies.

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#3614 Post by ghug » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:01 am

kgray wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:58 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:16 pm
Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away
Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.
The funny thing is that we don't actually lose until we're all eliminated or there's only one scumteam left and they outnumber us.

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#3615 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:02 am

damo666 wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:37 pm
ghug wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:35 pm
damo666 wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:34 pm
Was celaph on line EOD1? Did he have an opportunity to claim?
Posted with five minutes left.
Oh thanks. Cross post with my subsequent post.

We should definitely daykill celaph then.
How come you didn't support this before it was pointed out that we could use celaph's flip to determine if there was a psychotrooper? I feel like you should have come to that conclusion on your own after getting an alien scan on someone.

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#3616 Post by ghug » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:02 am

kgray wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:00 am
Donny Dude wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:35 pm
ghug wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:37 pm


I used the bot for the last six (and rd, sorry rd).
Ghug, am I that forgettable this game?
Donny and ghug aren't scum buddies.
True, but this is much more fakable than all the things I say this about.

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#3617 Post by BobMcBob » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:04 am

kgray wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:58 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:16 pm
Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away
Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.
He has a point. We ideally don't want to info flip unnecessarily, so I'd say only vote celaph if you think he's scum still. Also because there are two scumteams, unless the mafia is absolutely massive, even if town is outnumbered that doesn't mean that town loses, because either mafia needs to have majority or aliens need to have a very small town to guarantee a win.

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#3618 Post by Bonatogether » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:09 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:04 am
kgray wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:58 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:16 pm
Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away
Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.
He has a point. We ideally don't want to info flip unnecessarily, so I'd say only vote celaph if you think he's scum still. Also because there are two scumteams, unless the mafia is absolutely massive, even if town is outnumbered that doesn't mean that town loses, because either mafia needs to have majority or aliens need to have a very small town to guarantee a win.
We'll probably not be >50% by d3 or d4, which'll be janky

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#3619 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:09 am

Ezio wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:26 am
##vote Hamilton Brian.

The ghug wagon is solid. Good ppl are on it.

The celaph wagon is sus. Maniac is just lurking so null, but bunny and damo rubbing me the wrong way.

The maniac wagon is absolute dogshit.

Hamilton Brian is trying hard to appear to be doing work and asking questions, but is asking questions I don't think ppl would care about the answers to, or were easily available to someone who kept track of the game and was working on it in their head.

in short: trying to appear to hunt for info, but hunting for the wrong info.
I'm pretty sure this is just Hamilton being Hamilton. His posting style is sort of meandering and I've often thought similarly that he was asking superficial questions when he turns out to be town. I think he just doesn't filter his posts much, and types out his actual reactions to things. I don't think he's scum.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3620 Post by kgray » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:10 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:02 am
kgray wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:00 am
Donny Dude wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:35 pm

Ghug, am I that forgettable this game?
Donny and ghug aren't scum buddies.
True, but this is much more fakable than all the things I say this about.
Oh? So how come you haven't said anything like this at all this game?

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