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President Eden wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:17 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:53 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 pm

- HR had a solid behavioral case on Bona that never really got disproved so much as dismissed due to our collective unwillingness to believe that there were 3 mafia on the block day 2. HR's VCA arguments for why Bona is suspicious are still reasonable.

1) The behavioral case requires me to remain the exact same after last game, which is obviously a faulty premise regardless of my alignment.

2) If town was this competent why did we lose last game?

3) Sure, my VCA isn't great. Can't make case just on that.

4) Why the fuck would ghug push the godfather if I'm a goon? If I'm a goon why can't they just vote me for a relatively easy bus?

1) It doesn't require the exact same behavior. Mafia is a game of heuristics and probability, even if we speak about it in a very qualitative way. If you had a clear tendency to behave a certain way as town in a game that recently finished, and you're departing from that tendency in the very next game, it's reasonable to think you might be mafia because of it.
I was willing to vote you day 2 because of it, in the end. I did want something better, though, which is why I went shopping around for other wagons throughout EOD2, and why I haven't bothered revisiting it until now, and why I probably wouldn't have revisited it at all but for HR's comments about VCA. It wasn't ironclad and it wouldn't even be the main reason to vote you out now, but it didn't demand that you behave the exact same way every game to be relevant, either.

2) Well, that town didn't have me.
Oh c'mon, put the tomatoes away, I'm kidding.
It is a different town with different circumstances. Town had teacon run up on day 1 and only narrowly missed that, and town caught damo, so it's not like that town was incompetent. It just struggled to deal with a very good closer on the mafia side. Catching a mafia by day 2 isn't that remarkable a feat. Catching three would be, but if we're honest with ourselves we got fairly lucky to get to that point.

3) Sure we can. In fact, at this stage, that's often how you catch the rest of them. It's why people can't get my name out of their suspects list no matter how many hours I sink into trying to solve this thing. I missed on ghug day 2 and was openly defending him near the end of it.
Your best bet would be to apply the same VCA techniques and find a better answer.

4) I tend to agree. So answer me this - why do you apply this argument here but still find reasons to suspect me elsewhere? If anything you should be simping for me the hardest of everybody, because the only way my actions make sense at EOD2 as mafia is if we're the last two and I was hoping to shake things up and somehow tie the vote or end up on a random other wagon (damo maybe, since I was shilling that before brainbomb?). But if I'm mafia you basically have to be the other one, EOD2 makes no sense otherwise.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:55 pm

@bona: still disagree about 2. And more so, I’d say: this scum team may have screwed up enough.

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:13 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:53 pm

I am really annoyed that I am getting shaded for what amounts to people apparently not liking my playstyle and not whether I am actually mafia. Especially when objectively I have put a ridiculous amount of time into trying to solve this game.

Pot, meet kettle

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:20 pm

I’m gonna Damo tonight

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:12 am

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:13 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:53 pm

I am really annoyed that I am getting shaded for what amounts to people apparently not liking my playstyle and not whether I am actually mafia. Especially when objectively I have put a ridiculous amount of time into trying to solve this game.

Pot, meet kettle

Also you could've copied this statement from scum!Durga flipping out a few games ago like this.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:15 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:20 pm

I’m gonna Damo tonight

As in 'do a Damo'?

celaph wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:20 am

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:12 am

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:13 pm

Pot, meet kettle

Also you could've copied this statement from scum!Durga flipping out a few games ago like this.

You're telling me that HR wanted to make a comment about how he feels his solving efforts were being underappreciated. He remembered a random scum Durga comment a few games back. Then decided to use that same comment this game. Please tell me how any of this is alignment indicative.

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:15 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:20 pm

I’m gonna Damo tonight

As in 'do a Damo'?

He's soft claiming that he's going to scan you tonight

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:15 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:20 pm

I’m gonna Damo tonight

As in 'do a Damo'?

He's soft claiming that he's going to scan you tonight

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:15 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:20 pm

I’m gonna Damo tonight

As in 'do a Damo'?

He's soft claiming that he's going to scan you tonight

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:46 am

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:15 am

As in 'do a Damo'?

He's soft claiming that he's going to scan you tonight

Nope. Damo had it right. Make a big announcement with 15 minutes to go

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:44 am

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:15 am

As in 'do a Damo'?

He's soft claiming that he's going to scan you tonight

He wants to get either me or him killed?

I think he's suggesting a soft announcement.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:47 am

Here’s my big announcement:

I’ll make an announcement in 10 minutes!

celaph wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:47 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:46 am

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am

He's soft claiming that he's going to scan you tonight

Nope. Damo had it right. Make a big announcement with 15 minutes to go

Well, there are <15 minutes to go. What's the announcement?

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:47 am

Here’s my big announcement:

I’ll make an announcement in 10 minutes!

aarodactyl wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:50 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:47 am

Here’s my big announcement:

I’ll make an announcement in 10 minutes!

I think the weight of an announcement is much smaller considering there's nothing to do right now.