Re: MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 pm
I misread the bot so the last ten minutes and you got yelled at by the gm to vote according to you.
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Where does it show this? I was messaging at 6 hours before EoD talking with Donny about voting for ties, and then nothing until 8 minutes before EoD.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:55 pmYou were there for the last 20 minutes or so based off bot.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 pmI wasn't there for most of EoD 2 because I was playing eu4Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:35 pmBut yes, the more I look at that VCA, the more damning it looks. How on earth has worcej taken the total opposite conclusion? You could barely come up with a VCA that looks *worse* than Bona's even if you were deliberately trying to...
Three confirmed scum all either reticent or outright avoiding voting for him, guy stays off both counterwagons for as long as possible and then only votes the weaker scum PR right at the end, and the guy joined both of the only two remotely plausible counterwagons to scum on D4 to boot.
Yeah. I stop playing eu4, tom messages me on discord to have a valid vote, and so I pop over to see what's going on.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 pmI misread the bot so the last ten minutes and you got yelled at by the gm to vote according to you.
Dude you just crossposted what I realized.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 pmWhere does it show this? I was messaging at 6 hours before EoD talking with Donny about voting for ties, and then nothing until 8 minutes before EoD.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:55 pmYou were there for the last 20 minutes or so based off bot.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 pm
I wasn't there for most of EoD 2 because I was playing eu4
Yeah, I see that nowDonny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:00 pmDude you just crossposted what I realized.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 pmWhere does it show this? I was messaging at 6 hours before EoD talking with Donny about voting for ties, and then nothing until 8 minutes before EoD.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:55 pm
You were there for the last 20 minutes or so based off bot.
K, I believe you there and how was that game going for you at the time?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:59 pmYeah. I stop playing eu4, tom messages me on discord to have a valid vote, and so I pop over to see what's going on.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 pmI misread the bot so the last ten minutes and you got yelled at by the gm to vote according to you.
pretty solid. I'm still figuring stuff out but a friend was helping me out.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:01 pmK, I believe you there and how was that game going for you at the time?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:59 pmYeah. I stop playing eu4, tom messages me on discord to have a valid vote, and so I pop over to see what's going on.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 pmI misread the bot so the last ten minutes and you got yelled at by the gm to vote according to you.
bonaBonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:02 pmpretty solid. I'm still figuring stuff out but a friend was helping me out.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:01 pmK, I believe you there and how was that game going for you at the time?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:59 pm
Yeah. I stop playing eu4, tom messages me on discord to have a valid vote, and so I pop over to see what's going on.
My philosophy is that seeing who breaks tied wagons is good.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:08 pmbonaBonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:02 pmpretty solid. I'm still figuring stuff out but a friend was helping me out.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:01 pm
K, I believe you there and how was that game going for you at the time?
Why on d4 did you break a tie on hb and emc on d4 when your philosophy has been that tied wagons are good?
Well, yes but my point was at the time you wanted emc in the lead.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:09 pmMy philosophy is that seeing who breaks tied wagons is good.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:08 pmbonaBonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:02 pm
pretty solid. I'm still figuring stuff out but a friend was helping me out.
Why on d4 did you break a tie on hb and emc on d4 when your philosophy has been that tied wagons are good?
Yes. I made a big case explaining Ghugs behavior that way.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:41 pmYou know, there's no real reason we couldn't have had 3 mafia on the block at EOD2.
It was a joke vote.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:27 pmWell, yes but my point was at the time you wanted emc in the lead.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:09 pmMy philosophy is that seeing who breaks tied wagons is good.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:08 pm
bona
Why on d4 did you break a tie on hb and emc on d4 when your philosophy has been that tied wagons are good?
What about hb did you believe was less scummier than emc?
And how do you currently read bunny?
1) The behavioral case requires me to remain the exact same after last game, which is obviously a faulty premise regardless of my alignment.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 pm- HR had a solid behavioral case on Bona that never really got disproved so much as dismissed due to our collective unwillingness to believe that there were 3 mafia on the block day 2. HR's VCA arguments for why Bona is suspicious are still reasonable.
2) chaqa, Damo, bunnyBonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:53 pm1) The behavioral case requires me to remain the exact same after last game, which is obviously a faulty premise regardless of my alignment.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 pm- HR had a solid behavioral case on Bona that never really got disproved so much as dismissed due to our collective unwillingness to believe that there were 3 mafia on the block day 2. HR's VCA arguments for why Bona is suspicious are still reasonable.
2) If town was this competent why did we lose last game?
3) Sure, my VCA isn't great. Can't make case just on that.
4) Why the fuck would ghug push the godfather if I'm a goon? If I'm a goon why can't they just vote me for a relatively easy bus?
1) I don't think that people expect identical play. How would that even happen with different variables? That said, I think it's not unreasonable to expect similar lines of thought and justification for your actions. The premise is that you should be thinking about the game in similar ways.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:53 pm1) The behavioral case requires me to remain the exact same after last game, which is obviously a faulty premise regardless of my alignment.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 pm- HR had a solid behavioral case on Bona that never really got disproved so much as dismissed due to our collective unwillingness to believe that there were 3 mafia on the block day 2. HR's VCA arguments for why Bona is suspicious are still reasonable.
2) If town was this competent why did we lose last game?
3) Sure, my VCA isn't great. Can't make case just on that.
4) Why the fuck would ghug push the godfather if I'm a goon? If I'm a goon why can't they just vote me for a relatively easy bus?
I will point out in the case of four that when I initially made the post that that EoD had made no sense whatsoever unless there were multiple scum wagons, Bona came in very quickly to disagree. It was only after I then said that brainbomb made much more sense that Bona suddenly seemed latched onto that and went after brain.celaph wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:06 pm1) I don't think that people expect identical play. How would that even happen with different variables? That said, I think it's not unreasonable to expect similar lines of thought and justification for your actions. The premise is that you should be thinking about the game in similar ways.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:53 pm1) The behavioral case requires me to remain the exact same after last game, which is obviously a faulty premise regardless of my alignment.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 pm- HR had a solid behavioral case on Bona that never really got disproved so much as dismissed due to our collective unwillingness to believe that there were 3 mafia on the block day 2. HR's VCA arguments for why Bona is suspicious are still reasonable.
2) If town was this competent why did we lose last game?
3) Sure, my VCA isn't great. Can't make case just on that.
4) Why the fuck would ghug push the godfather if I'm a goon? If I'm a goon why can't they just vote me for a relatively easy bus?
2) PE's argument for having 3 scum wagons on D2 is not that town was particularly skilled, but mostly through a combination of bad luck and bad play on the part of the scum. BB obviously didn't have to die and Jamie's case on ghug had a number of errors.
3) Why not?
4) I think this is one of the better points in favor of town Bona. The other imo is your behavior N2 in acting like you caught BB.
1) It doesn't require the exact same behavior. Mafia is a game of heuristics and probability, even if we speak about it in a very qualitative way. If you had a clear tendency to behave a certain way as town in a game that recently finished, and you're departing from that tendency in the very next game, it's reasonable to think you might be mafia because of it.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:53 pm1) The behavioral case requires me to remain the exact same after last game, which is obviously a faulty premise regardless of my alignment.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 pm- HR had a solid behavioral case on Bona that never really got disproved so much as dismissed due to our collective unwillingness to believe that there were 3 mafia on the block day 2. HR's VCA arguments for why Bona is suspicious are still reasonable.
2) If town was this competent why did we lose last game?
3) Sure, my VCA isn't great. Can't make case just on that.
4) Why the fuck would ghug push the godfather if I'm a goon? If I'm a goon why can't they just vote me for a relatively easy bus?