M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Jamiet99uk]

What prompted Bunny to claim (whether he is the Jailor or not, why claim now?)

I suppose I will have to go and read the last 18 pages or so.

[ghug]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

No.

[Bonatogether]

Jamie, Flum, and Bunny

The only real question is which one of Balki/Aaro/Bona is the last scum member after emc.

I'd say Balki.

##vote Bunny

Well I'm glad you agree with me that the last scum has to be in those three people at least

I still scumread celaph, but on assumption that scum is in that group, it's Balki, in my opinion.

[BunnyGo]

I like how the underline is broken lol.

Yeah, that makes sense that town!bunny would do this, but we still cannot confirm you any other way of flipping you.

Yeah...I’m realizing that. Which is part of why I’m not kicking so hard. It would also be true no matter what I’d said as my actions the first two nights...so I don’t see how that cost us anyways.

I also don’t see why we don’t do Jamie first. From your POV either I’m jailer or scum. If scum, you’ll get me eventually. If jailer, scum won’t kill me because they know you’ll do it at some point. But in the meantime they have to waste a RB or otherwise try and outguess me. We’ll also get intel from Jamie’s flip. If he is scum power, then I’m slightly more clear. If he’s scum RBer, then even better.

HR made the point regarding time, but in general sorting you out first can shorten the time we have to sit back with auto-day kill's lined out.

How’s that?

[Jamiet99uk]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

No.

Can someone who is not Ghug please explain things to me?

[worcej]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

Yes, what are you claiming to justify your visit to Neph?

[BunnyGo]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

No.

Can someone who is not Ghug please explain things to me?

No

[Jamiet99uk]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

Yes, what are you claiming to justify your visit to Neph?

Thank you for clarifying that, Worcej. I'll claim when I'm caught up. Too many people seem far too willing to shitpost and tell lies today so I'll have to read everything for myself.

[Jamiet99uk]

No.

Can someone who is not Ghug please explain things to me?

No

So helpful. ##VOTE BUNNYGO.

[worcej]

Yeah...I’m realizing that. Which is part of why I’m not kicking so hard. It would also be true no matter what I’d said as my actions the first two nights...so I don’t see how that cost us anyways.

I also don’t see why we don’t do Jamie first. From your POV either I’m jailer or scum. If scum, you’ll get me eventually. If jailer, scum won’t kill me because they know you’ll do it at some point. But in the meantime they have to waste a RB or otherwise try and outguess me. We’ll also get intel from Jamie’s flip. If he is scum power, then I’m slightly more clear. If he’s scum RBer, then even better.

HR made the point regarding time, but in general sorting you out first can shorten the time we have to sit back with auto-day kill's lined out.

How’s that?

You're right - either way it's only the same amount of time.

[worcej]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

Yes, what are you claiming to justify your visit to Neph?

Thank you for clarifying that, Worcej. I'll claim when I'm caught up. Too many people seem far too willing to shitpost and tell lies today so I'll have to read everything for myself.

No, you need to claim now honestly.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think it would be useful to give emc an opportunity to CC Bunny if emc is jailer.

Reason:

emc's visit list was suspicious. It did not make sense from Jailer!emc, so I think it was most likely scum!emc, with his real visits, worried that he had been tracked.

I want to know before Bunny's flip whether emc will CC the jailer claim or not, if we tell him he needs to do that if he is in fact jailer.

Probably does not matter too much because Bunny's flip will tell us more about emc. But I want to hear emc talk more about why he visited the two people he says he visited.

No. Why would he claim what

Well, emc's hypo claimed jailer visits are utterly bizarre. It makes him look, to me, like a Scum PR who was concerned that you tracked him.

After Bunny flips, if Bunny is smuggler, then emc is almost certainly scum and we can flip him (though, we need to ask the GM if the smuggler has to visit someone on his own team.)

If Bunny is blackmailer or role blocker (especially role blocker), then emc is probably town, but not necessarily so. Scum knew that we had a tracker, so they might possibly try to create a red herring, given the small chance of a successful role block.

So, I'd like to know now whether emc is going to claim VT with a bizarre set of hypo jailer claims, or whether he is going to claim jailer. I seriously doubt that he is actually a jailer, give the people he said he visited.

[worcej]

I think it would be useful to give emc an opportunity to CC Bunny if emc is jailer.

Reason:

emc's visit list was suspicious. It did not make sense from Jailer!emc, so I think it was most likely scum!emc, with his real visits, worried that he had been tracked.

I want to know before Bunny's flip whether emc will CC the jailer claim or not, if we tell him he needs to do that if he is in fact jailer.

Probably does not matter too much because Bunny's flip will tell us more about emc. But I want to hear emc talk more about why he visited the two people he says he visited.

No. Why would he claim what

Well, emc's hypo claimed jailer visits are utterly bizarre. It makes him look, to me, like a Scum PR who was concerned that you tracked him.

After Bunny flips, if Bunny is smuggler, then emc is almost certainly scum and we can flip him (though, we need to ask the GM if the smuggler has to visit someone on his own team.)

If Bunny is blackmailer or role blocker (especially role blocker), then emc is probably town, but not necessarily so. Scum knew that we had a tracker, so they might possibly try to create a red herring, given the small chance of a successful role block.

So, I'd like to know now whether emc is going to claim VT with a bizarre set of hypo jailer claims, or whether he is going to claim jailer. I seriously doubt that he is actually a jailer, give the people he said he visited.

Balki is pretty much saying the same thing as my potential emc outcomes based on Bunny's flip.

[Durga]

No we're not gonna sus emc if bunny is roleblocker lol

[ghug]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

Yes, what are you claiming to justify your visit to Neph?

Thank you for clarifying that, Worcej. I'll claim when I'm caught up. Too many people seem far too willing to shitpost and tell lies today so I'll have to read everything for myself.

You should claim now. You know enough to know someone has claimed a guilty on you, which is enough to know that you have to claim yourself. If you're town, you have nothing to hide, and you can be honest. If you're scum, catching up allows you to craft a more believable claim, so taking time will make whatever claim you do make less believable.

[worcej]

Yes, what are you claiming to justify your visit to Neph?

Thank you for clarifying that, Worcej. I'll claim when I'm caught up. Too many people seem far too willing to shitpost and tell lies today so I'll have to read everything for myself.

You should claim now. You know enough to know someone has claimed a guilty on you, which is enough to know that you have to claim yourself. If you're town, you have nothing to hide, and you can be honest. If you're scum, catching up allows you to craft a more believable claim, so taking time will make whatever claim you do make less believable.

It pains me to say this... but ghug is right.

[Balki Bartokomous]

No we're not gonna sus emc if bunny is roleblocker lol

Why not? Scum knew that a tracker was in play.

From mafia QT perspective: (a) what are the odds that a role blocker successfully blocks a town action early in the game with a huge roster? (b) what are the odds that a role blocker is tracked? I'd say they are decently close.

[ghug]

No we're not gonna sus emc if bunny is roleblocker lol

Why not? Scum knew that a tracker was in play.

From mafia QT perspective: (a) what are the odds that a role blocker successfully blocks a town action early in the game with a huge roster? (b) what are the odds that a role blocker is tracked? I'd say they are decently close.

We'll sus him very late in the game if he's still around, maybe. Not before.

[Balki Bartokomous]

No we're not gonna sus emc if bunny is roleblocker lol

Why not? Scum knew that a tracker was in play.

From mafia QT perspective: (a) what are the odds that a role blocker successfully blocks a town action early in the game with a huge roster? (b) what are the odds that a role blocker is tracked? I'd say they are decently close.

We'll sus him very late in the game if he's still around, maybe. Not before.

I agree with that. I'd still like to pin him down on these two options: (a) VT with bizarre hypo claims, or (b) jailer with bizarre choices.

[ghug]

Why not? Scum knew that a tracker was in play.

From mafia QT perspective: (a) what are the odds that a role blocker successfully blocks a town action early in the game with a huge roster? (b) what are the odds that a role blocker is tracked? I'd say they are decently close.

We'll sus him very late in the game if he's still around, maybe. Not before.

I agree with that. I'd still like to pin him down on these two options: (a) VT with bizarre hypo claims, or (b) jailer with bizarre choices.

I support making him claim not-jailer. I don't support making him claim VT.