M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[BunnyGo]

So what we are trying to sort is whether Bunny smuggled emc D1, or jailed emc D1 - correct?

Not quite: it’s “unknown scum power” vs Jailed.

[Hellenic Riot]

So what we are trying to sort is whether Bunny smuggled emc D1, or jailed emc D1 - correct?

Or RB'd him or blackmailed emc, but yes


Also when we all did a hypo-jail for each night (something everyone in this game except you/Durga for obvious reasons and Yoyo for other obvious reasons all took part in), Bunny claimed he'd jailed someone else N1. Which given the hypo-jails were blatantly being done so Durga could verify a potential jailer claim is just plain idiotic.

[aarodactyl]

Yeah...I’m realizing that. Which is part of why I’m not kicking so hard. It would also be true no matter what I’d said as my actions the first two nights...so I don’t see how that cost us anyways.

I also don’t see why we don’t do Jamie first. From your POV either I’m jailer or scum. If scum, you’ll get me eventually. If jailer, scum won’t kill me because they know you’ll do it at some point. But in the meantime they have to waste a RB or otherwise try and outguess me. We’ll also get intel from Jamie’s flip. If he is scum power, then I’m slightly more clear. If he’s scum RBer, then even better.

So, that's part of what you missed I guess. If you said you visited emc N1 like you did, Durga wasn't going to out you as the person she saw. Rather, she was going to tell jailer to claim by EOD. After that Durga would reveal what she saw.

[Balki Bartokomous]

So what we are trying to sort is whether Bunny smuggled emc D1, or jailed emc D1 - correct?

Yes. Might also be role blocker or blackmailer. But yes.

[Tom Bombadil]

So, time for some mathematics that doesn't involve horrendous levels of probability

We're going to spend 2 days on removing Bunny (rest of D3 + N3)
Then 3 days removing confscum Jamie (D4+N4)
Then potentially another 3 days removing confscum emc (D5+N5)

So when you say here potentially 3 days removing confscum emc - this is on the supposition that Bunny would flip smuggler correct? There is not something else I am missing regarding emc

[BunnyGo]

Yeah...I’m realizing that. Which is part of why I’m not kicking so hard. It would also be true no matter what I’d said as my actions the first two nights...so I don’t see how that cost us anyways.

I also don’t see why we don’t do Jamie first. From your POV either I’m jailer or scum. If scum, you’ll get me eventually. If jailer, scum won’t kill me because they know you’ll do it at some point. But in the meantime they have to waste a RB or otherwise try and outguess me. We’ll also get intel from Jamie’s flip. If he is scum power, then I’m slightly more clear. If he’s scum RBer, then even better.

So, that's part of what you missed I guess. If you said you visited emc N1 like you did, Durga wasn't going to out you as the person she saw. Rather, she was going to tell jailer to claim by EOD. After that Durga would reveal what she saw.

Yes. That would have been nice to been told that by Ghug instead of just “answer now!!”

[celaph]

Well done Durga!

Some thoughts outside of Durga's immediate scum finds:
-I think that aaro was rather competent when it came to properly handling Durga's info and getting the most out of that situation. I think this supports the claim that his lack of reads early on is more due to lack of familiarity with the online format than scummy-ness. I have a much better feeling from him than I got from EoD2.
-aaro made a comment regarding Bunny and I's QT interaction on D1. I think I would agree with the conclusion that it's harder to town read me for it if Bunny is scum given the possibility of coaching. That said, if anyone is trying to scum read me for it (I think this is mostly aaro), I would like to know why you think I would respond differently as town.
-Bona's continued scum read of me strikes me as contrived. (1) for someone who claims to scum read me so hard, I didn't feel that there was any notable effort D2 to make my wagon a thing. He moved his vote off me to join the Bozo wagon before later unvoting saying we should "out if there's enough support to challenge the big wagons" and never pushed to create a notable wagon for me, ending the day on unvote. (2) his opinion of me feels static and unchanging. He first voted me for voting without posting reads and then after I posted my reads regarding my votes told HR that he scum reads me for "votes without putting out a read list *or* having many opinions". He later disliked that I said the same thing as aaro around EoD2 and said "i dislike celaph on principle".
-As much as I want to give Yoyo a surprise, I liked the argument that we don't want him to claim PR as a reflex. ##vote BunnyGo

[Hellenic Riot]

So, time for some mathematics that doesn't involve horrendous levels of probability

We're going to spend 2 days on removing Bunny (rest of D3 + N3)
Then 3 days removing confscum Jamie (D4+N4)
Then potentially another 3 days removing confscum emc (D5+N5)

So when you say here potentially 3 days removing confscum emc - this is on the supposition that Bunny would flip smuggler correct? There is not something else I am missing regarding emc

Indeed

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think it would be useful to give emc an opportunity to CC Bunny if emc is jailer.

Reason:

emc's visit list was suspicious. It did not make sense from Jailer!emc, so I think it was most likely scum!emc, with his real visits, worried that he had been tracked.

I want to know before Bunny's flip whether emc will CC the jailer claim or not, if we tell him he needs to do that if he is in fact jailer.

Probably does not matter too much because Bunny's flip will tell us more about emc. But I want to hear emc talk more about why he visited the two people he says he visited.

[President Eden]

##Call GM
How many people have to agree with the proposal to get the hammer reinstated

Submit a ballot initiative with at least one million signatures please.

(It's not going to happen. Sorry.)

[Durga]

##Call GM
How many people have to agree with the proposal to get the hammer reinstated

Submit a ballot initiative with at least one million signatures please.

(It's not going to happen. Sorry.)

Come on PE he's right this is gonna drag out

[Durga]

I think it would be useful to give emc an opportunity to CC Bunny if emc is jailer.

Reason:

emc's visit list was suspicious. It did not make sense from Jailer!emc, so I think it was most likely scum!emc, with his real visits, worried that he had been tracked.

I want to know before Bunny's flip whether emc will CC the jailer claim or not, if we tell him he needs to do that if he is in fact jailer.

Probably does not matter too much because Bunny's flip will tell us more about emc. But I want to hear emc talk more about why he visited the two people he says he visited.

No. Why would he claim what

[Jamiet99uk]

Now what's going on?

Why are you all voting for BunnyGo?

My wagon seems very small all of a sudden.

I've had a very busy afternoon. Work is killing me right now. Someone catch me up?

[ghug]

Now what's going on?

Why are you all voting for BunnyGo?

My wagon seems very small all of a sudden.

I've had a very busy afternoon. Work is killing me right now. Someone catch me up?

BunnyGo was seen visiting you.

[Bonatogether]

I wonder how many scum I'm voting with right now.

Feels like most of them.

Jamie, Flum, and Bunny

The only real question is which one of Balki/Aaro/Bona is the last scum member after emc.

I'd say Balki.

##vote Bunny

[Jamiet99uk]

Now what's going on?

Why are you all voting for BunnyGo?

My wagon seems very small all of a sudden.

I've had a very busy afternoon. Work is killing me right now. Someone catch me up?

BunnyGo was seen visiting you.

That would be news to me. So is he cc-ing Durga's tracker claim?

[ghug]

Now what's going on?

Why are you all voting for BunnyGo?

My wagon seems very small all of a sudden.

I've had a very busy afternoon. Work is killing me right now. Someone catch me up?

BunnyGo was seen visiting you.

That would be news to me. So is he cc-ing Durga's tracker claim?

Yes.

[Hellenic Riot]

I wonder how many scum I'm voting with right now.

Feels like most of them.

Jamie, Flum, and Bunny

The only real question is which one of Balki/Aaro/Bona is the last scum member after emc.

I'd say Balki.

##vote Bunny

Well I'm glad you agree with me that the last scum has to be in those three people at least

[Jamiet99uk]

I see that Ghug is lying as he often does.

According to a quick Iso of BunnyGo, he is actually claiming Jailor, yes?

[worcej]

For once worcej and I are not the same because i already asked the GM this in PM.

I like how the underline is broken lol.

Yeah, that makes sense that town!bunny would do this, but we still cannot confirm you any other way of flipping you.

Yeah...I’m realizing that. Which is part of why I’m not kicking so hard. It would also be true no matter what I’d said as my actions the first two nights...so I don’t see how that cost us anyways.

I also don’t see why we don’t do Jamie first. From your POV either I’m jailer or scum. If scum, you’ll get me eventually. If jailer, scum won’t kill me because they know you’ll do it at some point. But in the meantime they have to waste a RB or otherwise try and outguess me. We’ll also get intel from Jamie’s flip. If he is scum power, then I’m slightly more clear. If he’s scum RBer, then even better.

HR made the point regarding time, but in general sorting you out first can shorten the time we have to sit back with auto-day kill's lined out.