WebMafia Olympics - Game #3 - Raygun's Revenge [GAME THREAD]

[rdrivera2005]

I did try to hammer Rdr first, and you didn't join. How many other people needed to want it before you'd switch?

That's the sole reason I am voting Ghug instead of you now.

I'm just baffled by the closed-mindedness of whichever one of the three of you is town.

Our play bought us a miskill. It was predicated on the understanding that of was better for Mafia to shoot yesterday. I would have shot yesterday. Flum would have shot yesterday. Why are we the two under suspicion?

Look from my POV. This reasoning means that Kak have the chance to end and kill and decided to just end. I can see scum Jamiet not killing because his partner could be in the block but then his partner must be you (in a less likely chance Flum). Nobody was pushing a Kak wagon.

[Fluminator]

That's the sole reason I am voting Ghug instead of you now.

I'm just baffled by the closed-mindedness of whichever one of the three of you is town.

Our play bought us a miskill. It was predicated on the understanding that of was better for Mafia to shoot yesterday. I would have shot yesterday. Flum would have shot yesterday. Why are we the two under suspicion?

Look from my POV. This reasoning means that Kak have the chance to end and kill and decided to just end. I can see scum Jamiet not killing because his partner could be in the block but then his partner must be you (in a less likely chance Flum). Nobody was pushing a Kak wagon.

Kak voted before Bunny voted. If scum Kak shot, I don't think Bunny would have endvoted and the game wouldn't have ended. It certainly could have been sketchy since kak and scumpartner (if not ghug) could try to coordinate endvoting before me and ghug checked again, but it would have been a big gamble.

[ghug]

Because the opposite pool contains two people; Me and Rdr.

Do you genuinely think we're exactly the Scum team?

I thought you meant the Kak/rd/Jamie pool, not the non-hammerer pool.

If you think there's one scum in you/Rd, why aren't you voting for rd?

I'm not sure what the first line is asking me, can you try again?

I'm not asking anything, I'm explaining how we miscommunicated.

The second part is a question.

[ghug]

That's the sole reason I am voting Ghug instead of you now.

I'm just baffled by the closed-mindedness of whichever one of the three of you is town.

Our play bought us a miskill. It was predicated on the understanding that of was better for Mafia to shoot yesterday. I would have shot yesterday. Flum would have shot yesterday. Why are we the two under suspicion?

Look from my POV. This reasoning means that Kak have the chance to end and kill and decided to just end. I can see scum Jamiet not killing because his partner could be in the block but then his partner must be you (in a less likely chance Flum). Nobody was pushing a Kak wagon.

Jamie could have just been waiting period, and Kak has been very clear in his thinking that mafia shouldn't have shot yesterday. I've given more plausible reasons why Flum and i aren't scum and shown what was wrong with your logic coming into the day, and you haven't done any amount of reconsideration.

In what fucking world do I push to make a hammer happen and then go to bed without shooting?

[Fluminator]

##Vote Rdr
I'm going to have to convince whoever is town out of Jamie or Kak tomorrow. Lord help me.

[Fluminator]

Usually you're against lurkers, but you don't seem that suspicious of Rdr.

The difference with Rdr is I've been in 30+ games with him and he is always a low poster. I would not say his participation has been significantly lower than his norm. By Rdr standards, I would no lt say he's lurking.

Ok but that doesn't mean he's town. Do you understand the game theory behind why we hammered? (Also remember Bunny who is confirmed town agreed with the theory behind hammering)

[Fluminator]

@Jamie

What do you think of Kak's opinion we should nokill today and try to win the tiebreaker tomorrow? Do you agree with it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Usually you're against lurkers, but you don't seem that suspicious of Rdr.

The difference with Rdr is I've been in 30+ games with him and he is always a low poster. I would not say his participation has been significantly lower than his norm. By Rdr standards, I would no lt say he's lurking.

Ok but that doesn't mean he's town. Do you understand the game theory behind why we hammered? (Also remember Bunny who is confirmed town agreed with the theory behind hammering)

Yes I do. It's just a shame you hammered the wrong person.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie

What do you think of Kak's opinion we should nokill today and try to win the tiebreaker tomorrow? Do you agree with it?

It's a theory... I would rather hit scum today.

Do you agree with it?

[rdrivera2005]

I'm just baffled by the closed-mindedness of whichever one of the three of you is town.

Our play bought us a miskill. It was predicated on the understanding that of was better for Mafia to shoot yesterday. I would have shot yesterday. Flum would have shot yesterday. Why are we the two under suspicion?

Look from my POV. This reasoning means that Kak have the chance to end and kill and decided to just end. I can see scum Jamiet not killing because his partner could be in the block but then his partner must be you (in a less likely chance Flum). Nobody was pushing a Kak wagon.

Jamie could have just been waiting period, and Kak has been very clear in his thinking that mafia shouldn't have shot yesterday. I've given more plausible reasons why Flum and i aren't scum and shown what was wrong with your logic coming into the day, and you haven't done any amount of reconsideration.

In what fucking world do I push to make a hammer happen and then go to bed without shooting?

This isn't a valid argument, when you last posted there isn't any indication a hammer will happen.

If you use this logic on what world of I am scum I will just go away and not use a shoot, considering I was an obvious wagon?

[rdrivera2005]

##Vote Rdr
I'm going to have to convince whoever is town out of Jamie or Kak tomorrow. Lord help me.

Ok. This makes my life easier.

##vote Flum

[Jamiet99uk]

Uh, now it looks like I am the one who has to decide.

[Jamiet99uk]

The remaining participants are:

Fluminator
Ghug
Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto
Rdrivera2005

Ghug, Flum and Kak (with Bunny) all participated in the ghastly murder of Sweet.
Rdr and I did not.

If only one scum was hammering (as I theorised), then Ghug is correct that simple logic says:

##Vote Rdrivera

[Jamiet99uk]

The reason I'm still thinking this way is it would be really weird for BOTH scum to be sitting there hammering Sweet and for NEITHER of them to think "I should fire my gun now, before we flip him".

The lack of a shot just before Sweet flipped would also be explained by NEITHER scum being online when the hammering took place, but I know that is not true because one of the two people still alive, who did not hammer, is me - and I am Town.

Therefore voting for Rdr must be correct here.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't think there is anything more to say.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi Sweetandcool.

Sorry you died.


It wasn't me.

[Fluminator]

Ok that's interesting. Is it actually just Kak/Rdr.

I just deleted a post where I go over partner combos because it's too hard to get anything from Kak's posts since they're constantly changing his opinions making it that he could be partners with anyone.

I don't expect Jamie or Ghug to bus Rdr at this point though unless they want to do a last minute vote switch, but that's risky for them because Kak changes his mind a lot.

@Rdr, I'm not necessarily locked in on voting you and I'm town so if you're town mafia are coasting right now. I still don't understand anything about your perspective. You say that hammering you made more sense than hammering sweet and I don't understand why that makes it better. Can you expand on that?

[worcej]

GM Note:
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[ghug]

Look from my POV. This reasoning means that Kak have the chance to end and kill and decided to just end. I can see scum Jamiet not killing because his partner could be in the block but then his partner must be you (in a less likely chance Flum). Nobody was pushing a Kak wagon.

Jamie could have just been waiting period, and Kak has been very clear in his thinking that mafia shouldn't have shot yesterday. I've given more plausible reasons why Flum and i aren't scum and shown what was wrong with your logic coming into the day, and you haven't done any amount of reconsideration.

In what fucking world do I push to make a hammer happen and then go to bed without shooting?

This isn't a valid argument, when you last posted there isn't any indication a hammer will happen.

If you use this logic on what world of I am scum I will just go away and not use a shoot, considering I was an obvious wagon?

I don't think that's true. I knew I had Flum and Bunny interested. I also would have shot regardless because that was the winning play for town.

Scum played suboptimally however you cut it. I think it's more likely that they're people who didn't demonstrate understanding of the setup, which includes you.

[ghug]

Ok that's interesting. Is it actually just Kak/Rdr.

I just deleted a post where I go over partner combos because it's too hard to get anything from Kak's posts since they're constantly changing his opinions making it that he could be partners with anyone.

I don't expect Jamie or Ghug to bus Rdr at this point though unless they want to do a last minute vote switch, but that's risky for them because Kak changes his mind a lot.

@Rdr, I'm not necessarily locked in on voting you and I'm town so if you're town mafia are coasting right now. I still don't understand anything about your perspective. You say that hammering you made more sense than hammering sweet and I don't understand why that makes it better. Can you expand on that?

I'm like 90 rd, 60 Kak, 45 Jamie, 5 Flum currently, but I keep waffling on Jamie and Kak. I'm trying to decide if there's any chance they're paired.