M1021 - Blessings of Lilia - GAME THREAD [hidden]

[Bonatogether]

I was on her for 24 hours. In what world is that opportunistic? I thought she was scummy, plain and simple, hence why I pushed her. For all the reasons listed in my convos with snowy, I would never pursue Durga as an opportunistic D1 kill.

your reasons were dumb as shit dude, that's the opportunism. you're a smart guy so for you to come in with these reasons that look like you and me were talking about different people really just smells weird to me

Sabi's post really doesn't do much for me, as some of the questions seems just like asking questions for the sake of asking the question with unclear value regardless of answer. That being said I think Durga's shading of Bona was pretty sus ##VOTE Durga

Bona, if you're actually going to persist with this nonsense go do a proper iso and pull up all my explanations to Durga of why I thought she was scum instead of a single quote. Also look at my responses to aaro in which I explain to him why I thought his reasons to join the Durga wagon were bad.

that was your 2nd post ever that could conceivably be construed as a scumread of durga. it was opportunistic

[TheFlyingBoat]

Ok to explain where I am coming from, I think one of Aaro/Damo need to die today to help rationalize D1. You want Aaro dead and I can see why. I want Damo dead and you can understand why I think what I do, but think I am wrong/misguided to think so.

What I am trying to understand is why you seem so confident in Damo's rationale. Like you tell me you agree with Damo's assessment. You then tell me that as an explanation "[you] did not think the Maniac wagon would take off, and damo probably thought the same." This is an answer to why, it's just restating the point in more words. Obviously if town!damo chose Durga and was only trying to survive he thought the Durga wagon was more likely to take off than the Maniac wagon.

What I am trying to understand is why you think the Maniac wagon was DOA and why you think Durga was more killable.

I will almost certainly change this but ##vote tfb

I was reflecting on eod1 and I’m starting to settle on it being TvTvT. If I were scum, my ideal situation would be TvT and then another T getting killed instead. That sets up so many easy miskills going forward.

My vote on tfb is strictly because of the way they’re talking about the flipping for info. I decided to be on the watch for anyone pushing this after I was done reflected and this was the first post I saw about it.

I will post one quibble here. This isn't a Chaqa classic flip for info where he doesn't actually scum read the person he wants flipped. If you scroll back to the thread or use the bot to find my first wall post of the day you'll find a pretty thorough explanation of what I thought about the EoD actions, how we need to proceed given that the item smith is dead, and why I thought damo seemed scummy because of EoD and his posts.

[Bonatogether]

your reasons were dumb as shit dude, that's the opportunism. you're a smart guy so for you to come in with these reasons that look like you and me were talking about different people really just smells weird to me

Bona, if you're actually going to persist with this nonsense go do a proper iso and pull up all my explanations to Durga of why I thought she was scum instead of a single quote. Also look at my responses to aaro in which I explain to him why I thought his reasons to join the Durga wagon were bad.

that was your 2nd post ever that could conceivably be construed as a scumread of durga. it was opportunistic

many of your explanations are ex post facto of this vote

[Jamiet99uk]

celaph
jamie
kak

not in order

Why am I one of your top scumreads, and for which reasons?

Think that's a list of top three town reads

Oh sorry. So it is. Duh.

Why townread Celaph, who's totally absent from the game?

[BesharamSabi]

Well today is a bit busy so I'm going to respond to people that asked me stuff:

Yes and yes.

Is the game thread closed after day 1? Asking for someone who is about to spend two hours at the hair salon and would love to have content to read and no one is saying anything.

This is worth using one of your 10 posts on? We're not very fair into D2 and you (and some other people) were out during peak posting hours last night. I think it's ok for the game to slow down a bit on a Saturday morning.

Seeing as I knew day 2 was going to be busier and I didn't even use all 10 post during D1 I thought I could afford one shit post. Shoot me for that.

does anyone remember how pyxxy actually responded to pressure in the thread last game? bc i only remember seeing the god thread messages and I was kinda expecting him to try to end my bloodline for voting him

He usually does long wall post with a bunch of quotes and mean emojis.

^ The Aaro wagon looked pretty scummy to me.

Seeing as both durga and rdr were on it (haven't double checked on both), what are your thoughts on the others that were on the wagon? Reads of each person that was on his wagon.

NOT YET VOTED: celaph, BesharamSabi, aarodactyl, pyxxy

Reminder that nonvoters are scum confirmed

HI beloved, I have been busy. As I stated in post 2 I was deciding between three people. Seeing as no one will vote for Maniac even tho the man has not done one townie thing all game

hey Bona why have you not interacted with me once besides to tell me to change my vote. Why have you not read me yet? You always seem to love reading me and making shots at how I play the game. Talk to me ##VOTE bona

Someone asked Sabi's opinion on you earlier, boatman.

Uno reverse card. What do you think of them?

Some things irritated me about them. Their overconfidence about the wagons at the end of the day was completely unjustified in my opinion. Then to accuse me of being sexist in my pressure on Durga was ridiculous. But that type of posting from Sabi is so on-brand that I don't necessarily think it is scummy.

I mean they basically made the same dumb argument they made here right after I got Fluminator killed with Jamie and then somehow after I nailed 4 of 5 scum in my EoD2 reads list, kept on those people, and tried to push wagons on both Donny and Damo on my last day alive STILL tried to argue that I couldn't read the game despite their reads that game basically being no better than random darts. So it is what it is.

What does make me think they're town despite all of their absolute nonsense is that in some of their D1 posts (I think their 6th one was the one I referenced when I was previously asked this question iirc) they actually displayed some reasonable level of analysis that I think is beyond their ability to fake.

Their scum meta imo involves them faking interest and activity and basically making it impossible for town to process the game by clogging the thread up with questions that don't matter and don't help read the game. I've seen nothing to suggest they can fake reads and analysis like they did, though perhaps my perception of their abilities is coloring my judgment here and causing me to miss something.

Kinda feel insulted. Will expand on this when I get home.

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Thigns I will post about when I get home:

- Kaks wall posr
- boatman Wall post
- major interactions today

Where is celaph? Where is Maniac? I understand celaph was playing dnd last night but everyone at dnd has. Posted since.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote pyxxy

omg is the strategy working

What "strategy" would this be?

[DeathLlama8]

lawp

what do you make of the way the damo wagon formed in response to aaro becoming a wagon? I'm not thrilled with his d1 voting pattern (although jumping around like that isn't really scum-indicative to me) but the way people jumped onto him and some of the weirdness around those votes gives him some town credit for me

I do think scum damo would prefer a durga miskill to a maniac kill (regardless of maniac's actual alignment), but I'm not really convinced that voting maniac is a better survival play there. also, why do you think survivalist!damo wouldn't just stay on aaro in this situation?

[DeathLlama8]

##vote pyxxy

omg is the strategy working

is it
doesn't that strategy, even generously assuming pyxxy is scum, involve you convincing others to vote for them

oh nvm i thought i nudged you towards pyxxy somehow

[TheFlyingBoat]

your reasons were dumb as shit dude, that's the opportunism. you're a smart guy so for you to come in with these reasons that look like you and me were talking about different people really just smells weird to me

Bona, if you're actually going to persist with this nonsense go do a proper iso and pull up all my explanations to Durga of why I thought she was scum instead of a single quote. Also look at my responses to aaro in which I explain to him why I thought his reasons to join the Durga wagon were bad.

that was your 2nd post ever that could conceivably be construed as a scumread of durga. it was opportunistic

So...I am assuming based on this post you're not actually going to do a full iso or analyze anything? Why don't you post the 1st post I scum read Durga? Or any of my arguments with her? Did you think anything of my discussion with aaro or celaph about her?

Anyways to point you in a more useful direction before you tunnel me nonstop like you did in M72 what do you think about the EoD1?

This seems to be the only post in which you gave any thought to it so far.

how outlandish is it that scum!snowy was trying to save scum!damo with the 'bona flip a coin' post, cause then either way i'd vote for town? (and presumably generate momentum in order to tip things either way for the wagon)

What do you think about Aaro/Damo? What did you make of the wagon movements at the end?

[Bonatogether]

Why am I one of your top scumreads, and for which reasons?

Think that's a list of top three town reads

Oh sorry. So it is. Duh.

Why townread Celaph, who's totally absent from the game?

when he was posting, he displayed the typical town!celaph mindset

[TheFlyingBoat]

Bona, if you're actually going to persist with this nonsense go do a proper iso and pull up all my explanations to Durga of why I thought she was scum instead of a single quote. Also look at my responses to aaro in which I explain to him why I thought his reasons to join the Durga wagon were bad.

that was your 2nd post ever that could conceivably be construed as a scumread of durga. it was opportunistic

many of your explanations are ex post facto of this vote

And? Most of my explanation for Flum a couple games ago was after the vote was cast. Would you call that push opportunistic? Plenty of people give more explanation after the vote. Why am I uniquely scummy for this in your view?

[Bonatogether]

hey Bona why have you not interacted with me once besides to tell me to change my vote. Why have you not read me yet? You always seem to love reading me and making shots at how I play the game. Talk to me ##VOTE bona

frankly it's cause everything you've done has been commentary. you haven't really talked to anyone, and most of how i read people is off of interactions. your perspective has been...fine? but i can't read you off of that.

in essence you're talking about the game but not really being in it, and i can't read that

[DeathLlama8]

but yeah I should summarize all the random points I've made against pyxxy

• pyxxy pressured damo early on some vague meta things, but didn't really do anything to make it a wagon before immediately jumping on when it became a viable aaro cw (i think they look especially worse if aaro is scum)
• they stated that their approach to this D1 was directed by aiming "to force as many interactions between people as possible right now on D1", but they didn't post in a way that is consistent with that, and also didn't really play d1 in a traditionally scumhunty way
• their response to pressure has been weirder and less direct than I expected from them, but I might be biased because of how he's interacted with me specifically and the god thread messages
• the recent content has been better than their d1, but still kinda fluffy and doesn't move the needle that much for me

[Bonatogether]

that was your 2nd post ever that could conceivably be construed as a scumread of durga. it was opportunistic

many of your explanations are ex post facto of this vote

And? Most of my explanation for Flum a couple games ago was after the vote was cast. Would you call that push opportunistic? Plenty of people give more explanation after the vote. Why am I uniquely scummy for this in your view?

i don't remember shit from a couple games ago. what game was that?

[Bonatogether]

many of your explanations are ex post facto of this vote

And? Most of my explanation for Flum a couple games ago was after the vote was cast. Would you call that push opportunistic? Plenty of people give more explanation after the vote. Why am I uniquely scummy for this in your view?

i don't remember shit from a couple games ago. what game was that?

and who are these 'plenty of people'

[TheFlyingBoat]

lawp

what do you make of the way the damo wagon formed in response to aaro becoming a wagon? I'm not thrilled with his d1 voting pattern (although jumping around like that isn't really scum-indicative to me) but the way people jumped onto him and some of the weirdness around those votes gives him some town credit for me

I do think scum damo would prefer a durga miskill to a maniac kill (regardless of maniac's actual alignment), but I'm not really convinced that voting maniac is a better survival play there. also, why do you think survivalist!damo wouldn't just stay on aaro in this situation?

So, if damo is town I would agree that there is a lot of scum on that wagon that formed in order to save aaro. But given the way the aaro wagon broke down while the durga wagon rose and the damo wagon only lost a little I would lean to believe the aaro wagon was a bit more questionable and was something pushed by scum early, but of course the dynamics with a mafia that has day chat is a bit different.

Maybe I am alone in my estimation of how difficult it to miskill Durga given the pushback I've gotten on my analysis on how survivalist!damo plays, but I think it's possible he saw the fact that in the over 2 hours from when he cast his vote for aaro to when he switched his votes with 13 mins to go that he realized the aaro wagon had no momentum and he needed to find a new wagon to save himself. I personally think at that point switching onto Maniac is the smarter target.

[TheFlyingBoat]

many of your explanations are ex post facto of this vote

And? Most of my explanation for Flum a couple games ago was after the vote was cast. Would you call that push opportunistic? Plenty of people give more explanation after the vote. Why am I uniquely scummy for this in your view?

i don't remember shit from a couple games ago. what game was that?

M72. It was the game you basically did nothing besides vote for me until you voted for yourself and died.

[Bonatogether]

And? Most of my explanation for Flum a couple games ago was after the vote was cast. Would you call that push opportunistic? Plenty of people give more explanation after the vote. Why am I uniquely scummy for this in your view?

i don't remember shit from a couple games ago. what game was that?

M72. It was the game you basically did nothing besides vote for me until you voted for yourself and died.

can you link some actual posts from that? put in some effort. the only thing i remember from that game was that you were tunneled on me cause you would only read like 1 sentence from each of my posts and then scum damo jumped on that and led a dk on me.

[TheFlyingBoat]

And? Most of my explanation for Flum a couple games ago was after the vote was cast. Would you call that push opportunistic? Plenty of people give more explanation after the vote. Why am I uniquely scummy for this in your view?

i don't remember shit from a couple games ago. what game was that?

and who are these 'plenty of people'

I mean for one, you? You only start to truly justify your vote for Durga a couple posts after you voted for her.

[Bonatogether]

i don't remember shit from a couple games ago. what game was that?

and who are these 'plenty of people'

I mean for one, you? You only start to truly justify your vote for Durga a couple posts after you voted for her.

I had an actual leadup in scumreading her, whereas you had one post that could be read in a couple different ways.

still waiting on that 'plenty'