M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[kgray]

aarodactyl was sticking to his N3 scum reads, and only eliminated you when it was explained that you claimed PR.

K but why is that scummy?

I didn't say it was, but it would be a reason not to town read him for not scum reading Fluminator. As town he may not have changed him mind, but as scum he might not want to explain a change in reads.

It would be pretty easy as scum to say he changed his mind because HR is a townclear who seemed adamant that Flum was scum.

[bozotheclown]

To be fair, whenever I play games based on reads, I’m never that confident my choices. You don’t know that because this is my first game on here. I stated my reasons for thinking damo was scum. I’m not going to yell at people to vote based on that. Also there was a lot of pushback to me calling out all of damos math as scummy. Given that all of the other vocal players know damo better than me, I want going to push it too much.

Also, doubling down on bad math seems pretty scummy to me. However, I don't know damo enough to be solid in this read. Does this seem like something he'd do from previous games?

It looks like you initiated the "pushback" by asking this question.

If stating my opinion, saying that I’m not completely sure, and then asking people for input is scummy then I’m going to get DKed in every game I play.

What looks suspicious is the way you characterized the pushback on damo as a reason not to argue for him to be the DK when you expressed doubt about damo before anyone else responded, and even asked for other opinions.

[Fluminator]

Oh goodie

Do you think scum thought Balki was the Priest?

I do not know. I think that's most likely. The only other alternative is someone made a suboptimal move to frame one of the newer players. But why go through that effort instead of an easy Balki daykill? I don't see anyone's ego being that large to make the game that much more difficult intentionally.
As much as I rib on Chaqa he's usually a very competent scum player and not someone who'd make that mistake either.
Bozo might be the only player galaxybrained enough left to do something like that intentionally as a triple bluff or something idk.

I think we'll find out soon. If Bona flips town I'll do a deeper dive into it.

You think Balki would have been daykilled if HR had died last night?

I still would have voted Bona, but Balki was the only other player left who I had major suspicions about.

[aarodactyl]

It looks like you initiated the "pushback" by asking this question.

If stating my opinion, saying that I’m not completely sure, and then asking people for input is scummy then I’m going to get DKed in every game I play.

What looks suspicious is the way you characterized the pushback on damo as a reason not to argue for him to be the DK when you expressed doubt about damo before anyone else responded, and even asked for other opinions.

I guess that’s fair. But also I didn’t have the energy to do too much of a deep dive into damo and there was already a wagon on them. And I was inactive when the celaph train caught up. It seemed like a sure kill to me

[ghug]

Oh goodie

Do you think scum thought Balki was the Priest?

I do not know. I think that's most likely. The only other alternative is someone made a suboptimal move to frame one of the newer players. But why go through that effort instead of an easy Balki daykill? I don't see anyone's ego being that large to make the game that much more difficult intentionally.
As much as I rib on Chaqa he's usually a very competent scum player and not someone who'd make that mistake either.
Bozo might be the only player galaxybrained enough left to do something like that intentionally as a triple bluff or something idk.

I think we'll find out soon. If Bona flips town I'll do a deeper dive into it.

You think Balki would have been daykilled if HR had died last night?

I do. It seemed like the majority were not looking favorably on the claimants.

[bozotheclown]

K but why is that scummy?

I didn't say it was, but it would be a reason not to town read him for not scum reading Fluminator. As town he may not have changed him mind, but as scum he might not want to explain a change in reads.

It would be pretty easy as scum to say he changed his mind because HR is a townclear who seemed adamant that Flum was scum.

Maybe, but if he had done that, Fluminator might be more willing to vote for aarodactyl today, so maybe aarodactyl was just thinking ahead.

I just do not see how you can town read aarodactyl for not jumping on the Fluminator wagon, I think scum would be more likely to do what aarodactyl was doing, waiting to see which wagons would stick around.

[ghug]

I'm going to feel so stupid if aaro does turn out to be scum, but literally everything he's doing that you're scumreading him for can be explained by him being a new player. He doesn't push hard to get wagons on his scumreads - fine. He asks experienced players about people's meta - fine. He isn't confident in his vote - fine.

I get that you can see a scum motivation for it but there's an equally plausible town explanation for it too.

But everyone else has obvtowned.

[kgray]

I'm going to feel so stupid if aaro does turn out to be scum, but literally everything he's doing that you're scumreading him for can be explained by him being a new player. He doesn't push hard to get wagons on his scumreads - fine. He asks experienced players about people's meta - fine. He isn't confident in his vote - fine.

I get that you can see a scum motivation for it but there's an equally plausible town explanation for it too.

But everyone else has obvtowned.

aaro obvtowned after Bunny was caught

[bozotheclown]

If stating my opinion, saying that I’m not completely sure, and then asking people for input is scummy then I’m going to get DKed in every game I play.

What looks suspicious is the way you characterized the pushback on damo as a reason not to argue for him to be the DK when you expressed doubt about damo before anyone else responded, and even asked for other opinions.

I guess that’s fair. But also I didn’t have the energy to do too much of a deep dive into damo and there was already a wagon on them. And I was inactive when the celaph train caught up. It seemed like a sure kill to me

If you were active when damo and celaph were close, what would you have done?

[celaph]

What are people's thoughts on Chaqa? I remember hearing someone (I think HR) saying that Chaqa's game was very townie, can they elaborate?

I'll ##vote bona as well as he is the one I town read the least.

[kgray]

I didn't say it was, but it would be a reason not to town read him for not scum reading Fluminator. As town he may not have changed him mind, but as scum he might not want to explain a change in reads.

It would be pretty easy as scum to say he changed his mind because HR is a townclear who seemed adamant that Flum was scum.

Maybe, but if he had done that, Fluminator might be more willing to vote for aarodactyl today, so maybe aarodactyl was just thinking ahead.

I just do not see how you can town read aarodactyl for not jumping on the Fluminator wagon, I think scum would be more likely to do what aarodactyl was doing, waiting to see which wagons would stick around.

Flum is not voting for Bona because Bona scumread him, and he's not townreading aaro because aaro didn't scumread him. But even if he were, you're suggesting that aaro predicted this situation 2 days in advance. But at the same time, you're accusing him of being unable to react in a convincing way to Balki's flip.

This doesn't add up. I'm really tempted to sheep you but I can't do it on aaro.

And my townread of aaro has nothing to do with him not jumping on a Flum wagon.

[ghug]

I'm going to feel so stupid if aaro does turn out to be scum, but literally everything he's doing that you're scumreading him for can be explained by him being a new player. He doesn't push hard to get wagons on his scumreads - fine. He asks experienced players about people's meta - fine. He isn't confident in his vote - fine.

I get that you can see a scum motivation for it but there's an equally plausible town explanation for it too.

But everyone else has obvtowned.

aaro obvtowned after Bunny was caught

I went and read a bunch of day 3 and did not see anything obvtown from aaro. Can you point me to what you think was him obvtowning?

[bozotheclown]

Not to mention his reasons to scumread Flum didn't really hold up when I questioned him, and the only tangible thing he scurmead Flum for was your push. When I pointed out that your push was filled with holes, he didn't respond.

Any reason to scum read Fluminator is good.

lol okay bozo. I don't think aaro is scum. You don't think bona is scum. What to vote Flum together?

If we find out aarodactyl is town, Fluminator would be my next choice. I am not convince he did not scum slip about celaph.

[aarodactyl]

What looks suspicious is the way you characterized the pushback on damo as a reason not to argue for him to be the DK when you expressed doubt about damo before anyone else responded, and even asked for other opinions.

I guess that’s fair. But also I didn’t have the energy to do too much of a deep dive into damo and there was already a wagon on them. And I was inactive when the celaph train caught up. It seemed like a sure kill to me

If you were active when damo and celaph were close, what would you have done?

I probably would have brought up all of the weird math again. I don’t remember which side Manaic was on but I would have pointed out to them that damo was more suspicious based on their list than celaph. I didn’t agree with their analysis but it seemed to be one of the reason they didn’t like celaph.

[ghug]

It would be pretty easy as scum to say he changed his mind because HR is a townclear who seemed adamant that Flum was scum.

Maybe, but if he had done that, Fluminator might be more willing to vote for aarodactyl today, so maybe aarodactyl was just thinking ahead.

I just do not see how you can town read aarodactyl for not jumping on the Fluminator wagon, I think scum would be more likely to do what aarodactyl was doing, waiting to see which wagons would stick around.

Flum is not voting for Bona because Bona scumread him, and he's not townreading aaro because aaro didn't scumread him. But even if he were, you're suggesting that aaro predicted this situation 2 days in advance. But at the same time, you're accusing him of being unable to react in a convincing way to Balki's flip.

This doesn't add up. I'm really tempted to sheep you but I can't do it on aaro.

And my townread of aaro has nothing to do with him not jumping on a Flum wagon.

Where did your lofty opinion of bozo's play come from?

[Fluminator]

can someone point me to where Bona obvtowned?

[bozotheclown]

I'm going to feel so stupid if aaro does turn out to be scum, but literally everything he's doing that you're scumreading him for can be explained by him being a new player. He doesn't push hard to get wagons on his scumreads - fine. He asks experienced players about people's meta - fine. He isn't confident in his vote - fine.

I get that you can see a scum motivation for it but there's an equally plausible town explanation for it too.

aarodactyl didn't say he was new to mafia.

[aarodactyl]

I'm going to feel so stupid if aaro does turn out to be scum, but literally everything he's doing that you're scumreading him for can be explained by him being a new player. He doesn't push hard to get wagons on his scumreads - fine. He asks experienced players about people's meta - fine. He isn't confident in his vote - fine.

I get that you can see a scum motivation for it but there's an equally plausible town explanation for it too.

aarodactyl didn't say he was new to mafia.

I’ve said I’ve only played in person and never on a forum or any online setting.

[bozotheclown]

I guess that’s fair. But also I didn’t have the energy to do too much of a deep dive into damo and there was already a wagon on them. And I was inactive when the celaph train caught up. It seemed like a sure kill to me

If you were active when damo and celaph were close, what would you have done?

I probably would have brought up all of the weird math again. I don’t remember which side Manaic was on but I would have pointed out to them that damo was more suspicious based on their list than celaph. I didn’t agree with their analysis but it seemed to be one of the reason they didn’t like celaph.

You did make some post when the vote was 5-4, but did not bring these things up.

[ghug]

can someone point me to where Bona obvtowned?

I've told you like three times. It seems you don't agree with me.