WebMafia Olympics - Game #3 - Raygun's Revenge [GAME THREAD]

[Fluminator]

How has Rdr not been online since Saturday according to his profile

how did you see this? When I checked just after the shot, there was a - next to "Last active:" for all of you four.

Jamie changed it after I pointed it out so it now shows again.

ok, so two scenarios that pop into my mind:
a) Flum is 300 IQ mafia and forged this post before the shot and it was all planned from the beginning
b) RD changed it before the shot but after Flum looked and is the actual shooter

... and of course there is a third scenario possible:
c) Kak is just stupid and looks at the wrong place on the profile

so @Flum how did you see this?

I checked his webdip profile. It still says he hasn't visited since saturday so that's obviously a dead end lol.

[Fluminator]

I will be around to catch up soon. I've only quickly skimmed. Taking one night off is not lurking Kak.

Only worcej, rdrivera, TheMadMonarch, JustAnImpostorNamedWill, Heartthrob and dargorygel have posted less than you, you lurking lurker, you.

If I broke my first set of catchup posts into smaller chunks (like I did this time) I'd be way higher.

[Fluminator]

Also shouldn't you be more concerned about Rdr? You've been oddly avoidant of him today.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also shouldn't you be more concerned about Rdr? You've been oddly avoidant of him today.

What do you mean?

[Fluminator]

Usually you're against lurkers, but you don't seem that suspicious of Rdr.

[Jamiet99uk]

Usually you're against lurkers, but you don't seem that suspicious of Rdr.

The difference with Rdr is I've been in 30+ games with him and he is always a low poster. I would not say his participation has been significantly lower than his norm. By Rdr standards, I would no lt say he's lurking.

[Jamiet99uk]

Usually you're against lurkers, but you don't seem that suspicious of Rdr.

The difference with Rdr is I've been in 30+ games with him and he is always a low poster. I would not say his participation has been significantly lower than his norm. By Rdr standards, I would no lt say he's lurking.

*I would not say

[Jamiet99uk]

It feels like the game has died off. Maybe that was the real intention with the early shot on Bunny.

Like, everyone has given their opinions, and then..... we're just kind of sitting here.

[ghug]

It feels like the game has died off. Maybe that was the real intention with the early shot on Bunny.

Like, everyone has given their opinions, and then..... we're just kind of sitting here.

Jamie, now that I've explained that hammering someone was good for town, has your view on me changed at all?

[Jamiet99uk]

It feels like the game has died off. Maybe that was the real intention with the early shot on Bunny.

Like, everyone has given their opinions, and then..... we're just kind of sitting here.

Jamie, now that I've explained that hammering someone was good for town, has your view on me changed at all?

I'm not sure, Ghug.

Can I ask you a question?

Your theory is that the scum team consists of one person who was ON the hammer wagon, and one person was NOT, is that right?

[rdrivera2005]

hmm, hm.

Read and acknowledged. I also want the others to talk about this, and give their thoughts. Also, if you have questions to me, don't hesitate to ask. I think it should also be clear that we don't want to hammer today?

But I'm going to be a bit on the break myself the bit, and have a look again tomorrow morning with a clear head. And a coffee. We have time, so we should use it, but I've sat long on this game today already so I think it's fair that others should do also their part. I think Jamie did a big part already, but it couldn't hurt if he does a little more if he feels like it. Thoughts definitely appreciated. Flum I want to hear more of, definitely, especially about his thoughts of the shot.

And RD needs to do more. RD, if you are town, you are doing not much. I'm not convinced you are town. I want you to do your best to give me your thoughts, analyse what happened and hit me hard with your logic.

My time is limited this week and I can't do much about this. I am giving my thoughts as clearly as I can.

Answering Ghug about my assertions, I was clearing Kak because cast the last end vote. He could have killed Bunny and place a vote after EOD as people weren't online and it's auto win. But considering his messages today he could still be scum and just didn't understood the setup.

I also think the wagon on Sweet was opportunistic and probably at least one scum pushed it, that leaves Ghug and Flum. Now I am not sure anymore. But I am still surprised that people pushed a hammer, it makes no sense, unless you are really sure about it and it doesn't seems the case. The only voting we have is D1 were we vote a lurker.

Ok so even after you re-read the rules and said you had misconceptions about the setup, you are still saying "sweet wagon bad"?

Not saying Sweet wagon was necessary bad, but I don't see why ending make sense, considering Sweet had a chance to shoot. If you had speedwagoned me I would understand.

We didn't have a competitive voting on both D2 and D3 and this limit a lot any analysis.

[ghug]

It feels like the game has died off. Maybe that was the real intention with the early shot on Bunny.

Like, everyone has given their opinions, and then..... we're just kind of sitting here.

Jamie, now that I've explained that hammering someone was good for town, has your view on me changed at all?

I'm not sure, Ghug.

Can I ask you a question?

Your theory is that the scum team consists of one person who was ON the hammer wagon, and one person was NOT, is that right?

Not necessarily. I think scum is within the pool of you/Rd/Kak. It's possible that neither scum was involved in hammering.

[rdrivera2005]

only a little? I was pretty surprised. And yeah, RD would've probably be the prime target for a vote today. But he was also under suspicion from now dead townies. As are you.

I mean, there is a world where I see you and RD being town with me and a jamie-flum team. But this seems so unlikely, with you choosing and pushing the target yesterday.

Why didn't you try to endvote RD? What was your thought that sweet has to be the definite endvote? I still remember that he heavily suspected you, so it would be quite nice for maf-ghug to remove that voice. Plus bunny who was also beginning to suspect you.

I mean, sweet also was 100% mafpartner with ImpWill, from his own words, but yeah.

I'm also taken aback that you try to point to some mech reason for your townyness (and flums townyness), when you are also someone that usually stays away from pure mechtalk. I mean maybe that's different here. But still those thoughts crawl up my brain.

Also, to unravel the whole mechanics things, if we really must, I'll have a look at it later. I'm tired with a small headache and that's not a good starting point to analyse things. I also think we can't ignore what people think about the whole situation, so I definitely want to hear from Flum, RD and Jamie too, what they think about the early shot.

I'm confused by mafia's shooting decisions in general, and I do think Bunny was close enough to clear that he was probably going to be the kill regardless.

I didn't vote rd because he wasn't my top scumread. I probably would have hammered him if that's who people had wanted. I didn't try to hide that my scumread on him was in part based on his on me. I thought it was a shitty, bad faith argument.

I don't avoid pure mech talk. I don't like doing it early when it's unnecessary and easy for mafia to hide in, and I don't like mech-heavy setups, but I roll my sleeves up and get my hands dirty when the situation calls for it. I put myself out there D1 in the first Olympics game over a mechanical stance, for example, and I'm usually leading the charge in figuring things out mechanically if I'm alive in the late game.

I did try to hammer Rdr first, and you didn't join. How many other people needed to want it before you'd switch?

That's the sole reason I am voting Ghug instead of you now.

[rdrivera2005]

Jamie, now that I've explained that hammering someone was good for town, has your view on me changed at all?

I'm not sure, Ghug.

Can I ask you a question?

Your theory is that the scum team consists of one person who was ON the hammer wagon, and one person was NOT, is that right?

Not necessarily. I think scum is within the pool of you/Rd/Kak. It's possible that neither scum was involved in hammering.

I know for sure this is false, so at least one scum was involved on hammering, maybe both.

[ghug]

I'm confused by mafia's shooting decisions in general, and I do think Bunny was close enough to clear that he was probably going to be the kill regardless.

I didn't vote rd because he wasn't my top scumread. I probably would have hammered him if that's who people had wanted. I didn't try to hide that my scumread on him was in part based on his on me. I thought it was a shitty, bad faith argument.

I don't avoid pure mech talk. I don't like doing it early when it's unnecessary and easy for mafia to hide in, and I don't like mech-heavy setups, but I roll my sleeves up and get my hands dirty when the situation calls for it. I put myself out there D1 in the first Olympics game over a mechanical stance, for example, and I'm usually leading the charge in figuring things out mechanically if I'm alive in the late game.

I did try to hammer Rdr first, and you didn't join. How many other people needed to want it before you'd switch?

That's the sole reason I am voting Ghug instead of you now.

I'm just baffled by the closed-mindedness of whichever one of the three of you is town.

Our play bought us a miskill. It was predicated on the understanding that of was better for Mafia to shoot yesterday. I would have shot yesterday. Flum would have shot yesterday. Why are we the two under suspicion?

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie, now that I've explained that hammering someone was good for town, has your view on me changed at all?

I'm not sure, Ghug.

Can I ask you a question?

Your theory is that the scum team consists of one person who was ON the hammer wagon, and one person was NOT, is that right?

Not necessarily. I think scum is within the pool of you/Rd/Kak. It's possible that neither scum was involved in hammering.

I think there's one scum in that pool.... and it's not me.

Why is Flum locktown again?

[ghug]

I'm not sure, Ghug.

Can I ask you a question?

Your theory is that the scum team consists of one person who was ON the hammer wagon, and one person was NOT, is that right?

Not necessarily. I think scum is within the pool of you/Rd/Kak. It's possible that neither scum was involved in hammering.

I think there's one scum in that pool.... and it's not me.

Why is Flum locktown again?

He picked up on the benefit of hammering yesterday and then did it, rather than shooting first, which would have been the mafia play.

Why do you think there's one scum in that pool?

[Jamiet99uk]

Not necessarily. I think scum is within the pool of you/Rd/Kak. It's possible that neither scum was involved in hammering.

I think there's one scum in that pool.... and it's not me.

Why is Flum locktown again?

He picked up on the benefit of hammering yesterday and then did it, rather than shooting first, which would have been the mafia play.

Why do you think there's one scum in that pool?

Because the opposite pool contains two people; Me and Rdr.

Do you genuinely think we're exactly the Scum team?

[ghug]

I think there's one scum in that pool.... and it's not me.

Why is Flum locktown again?

He picked up on the benefit of hammering yesterday and then did it, rather than shooting first, which would have been the mafia play.

Why do you think there's one scum in that pool?

Because the opposite pool contains two people; Me and Rdr.

Do you genuinely think we're exactly the Scum team?

I thought you meant the Kak/rd/Jamie pool, not the non-hammerer pool.

If you think there's one scum in you/Rd, why aren't you voting for rd?

[Jamiet99uk]

He picked up on the benefit of hammering yesterday and then did it, rather than shooting first, which would have been the mafia play.

Why do you think there's one scum in that pool?

Because the opposite pool contains two people; Me and Rdr.

Do you genuinely think we're exactly the Scum team?

I thought you meant the Kak/rd/Jamie pool, not the non-hammerer pool.

If you think there's one scum in you/Rd, why aren't you voting for rd?

I'm not sure what the first line is asking me, can you try again?