M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

I have accepted I should be day killed today because knowing brainbomb he's going to tunnel me all game and won't actually scum hunt.

Do you still consider yourself the best DK today?

If it helps all four voting for me plus eden to focus on scum hunting and not tunneling me, yes it's for the best.

[Jamiet99uk]

So jamie, the hammer is to make a statement. I don't like the lack of pressure that subs get. Nothing about macca was AI, and if meta holds worc would just be allowed to coast until like D3 on no content.

I'm not even going to go into the low hanging fruit of how subs influenced the last game.

After a full catchup, is Sabi still your odds-on largest scumread? And who are your top three?

Your comparison with the last game is deeply flawed. In the last game, Vecna subbed in and we caught him, much of which was due to my read on the person who subbed out. Kak subbed in and was also scum, but Kak was very active and played a good game and at no point was there an issue of Kak being "given a pass" or allowed to "coast".

I've now given my current scumreads.

Is Worcej your "odds-on largest scumread?"
Or do you hold me to a higher standard than you apply to yourself?

[damo666]

Sabi is a bad wagon. Clearly VT.

[bozotheclown]

I have accepted I should be day killed today because knowing brainbomb he's going to tunnel me all game and won't actually scum hunt.

Do you still consider yourself the best DK today?

If it helps all four voting for me plus eden to focus on scum hunting and not tunneling me, yes it's for the best.

I do not have an opinion on your alignment, but I do think your success as mafia in your last game is working against you, and I do not think that is a good basis for a first vote.

[Jamiet99uk]

What do you make of Eden writing a wallpost about the person I told him to vote on a whim?

And now here we have Ghug trying to draw attention to the inconsequential fact that Ghug mentioned Eden's name in his Page 2 vote on DemonRHK, whereas the more up-to-date position was that Ghug had recently joined DemonRHK's silly Worcej wagon.

Hmmm. Quite suspect reaction from Ghug there.

The others were just not getting jokes but this one feels like it's in bad faith.

Half your posts, and most if not all of your votes, in this phase, could be characterised as "in bad faith" if you ask me, Ghug.

Or do you legitimately scumread Chaqa, myself, DemonRHK, BusinessLamp, Worcej, and Bozo?

[bozotheclown]

Sabi is a bad wagon. Clearly VT.

I am not convinced claiming to be a good DK is not a scum ploy, but I agree BesharamSabi is not the best vote today.

[President Eden]

Sabi is a bad wagon. Clearly VT.

town

[BesharamSabi]

Do you still consider yourself the best DK today?

If it helps all four voting for me plus eden to focus on scum hunting and not tunneling me, yes it's for the best.

I do not have an opinion on your alignment, but I do think your success as mafia in your last game is working against you, and I do not think that is a good basis for a first vote.

Which is wild because you were scum in that game and faced zero issues in m72.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok, where I'm at is that I have concerns about Eden, snowy, and celaph, but I'm willing to give them a day.

Of the relevant people, I don't feel like killing lamp or Sabi. I'd be OK with RHK, boat, Kak.

Sadly, I think Maniac is probably right about Maccej, and he's pretty easy to read regardless. I'd be fine getting like Jamie or ##VOTE bozo too.

You have not given any reason for scumreading Bozo.

[bozotheclown]

So jamie, the hammer is to make a statement. I don't like the lack of pressure that subs get. Nothing about macca was AI, and if meta holds worc would just be allowed to coast until like D3 on no content.

I'm not even going to go into the low hanging fruit of how subs influenced the last game.

After a full catchup, is Sabi still your odds-on largest scumread? And who are your top three?

Your comparison with the last game is deeply flawed. In the last game, Vecna subbed in and we caught him, much of which was due to my read on the person who subbed out. Kak subbed in and was also scum, but Kak was very active and played a good game and at no point was there an issue of Kak being "given a pass" or allowed to "coast".

I've now given my current scumreads.

Is Worcej your "odds-on largest scumread?"
Or do you hold me to a higher standard than you apply to yourself?

What is your opinion on the post:

Macca has requested an emergency sub (4th straight day of rain here) so
WORCEJ IS REPLACING MACCA573
If I've screwed anything up let me know

Does the GM legitimizing the sub request as non game related make you more or less likely to suspect the Macca slot is mafia?

[Jamiet99uk]

the reason why nobody takes your sabiquestions seriously is because no one believes you actually care what the answers are. its all busy work

I agree with the great prophet Beancomb.

[Bonatogether]

weirder for me is sabi sheeping eden on blamp
who the fuck would sheep eden first of all
and why didn’t they notice his vote is incongruous to the post he’s responding to

can u link because imma be real i don’t even remember talking to sabi about lamp

thisispainfultoreadcomeonEdenyourebetterthanthis

fr fr no cap seen

[Jamiet99uk]

What is your opinion on the post:

Macca has requested an emergency sub (4th straight day of rain here) so
WORCEJ IS REPLACING MACCA573
If I've screwed anything up let me know

Does the GM legitimizing the sub request as non game related make you more or less likely to suspect the Macca slot is mafia?

I strongly object to this question and it's against the spirit of the game to even ask it, Bozo. Shame on you.

We should look at the words and actions of Macca (and, in due course, Worcej), to determine the slot's alignment. We absolutely should not attempt to second-guess out-of-game stuff.

Snowy is right that this is the unacceptable kind of metagaming and it should be avoided.

[bozotheclown]

If it helps all four voting for me plus eden to focus on scum hunting and not tunneling me, yes it's for the best.

I do not have an opinion on your alignment, but I do think your success as mafia in your last game is working against you, and I do not think that is a good basis for a first vote.

Which is wild because you were scum in that game and faced zero issues in m72.

I have been mafia a number of times on this sight. I think there is at least one case where I was voted out D1 after being on a successful mafia team the previous game.

[bozotheclown]

What is your opinion on the post:

Macca has requested an emergency sub (4th straight day of rain here) so
WORCEJ IS REPLACING MACCA573
If I've screwed anything up let me know

Does the GM legitimizing the sub request as non game related make you more or less likely to suspect the Macca slot is mafia?

I strongly object to this question and it's against the spirit of the game to even ask it, Bozo. Shame on you.

We should look at the words and actions of Macca (and, in due course, Worcej), to determine the slot's alignment. We absolutely should not attempt to second-guess out-of-game stuff.

Snowy is right that this is the unacceptable kind of metagaming and it should be avoided.

I do not think it is out of bounds because it is not a private GM post.

[Bonatogether]

Bona, brain, Chaqa, and Jamie:

Are y’all voting Sabi because:
(1) you think they’re the most likely person to be mafia in this game?
-or-
(2) you think they could flip mafia and you view their presence as generally anti-town?

This is very important. So important I even started capitalizing the first letters of my sentences again. Very Important !

kinda a mix - they're definitely kind of scummy (especially for d1) and arguments that are sabi-adjacent tend to go nowhere fast

[Jamiet99uk]

What is your opinion on the post:

Does the GM legitimizing the sub request as non game related make you more or less likely to suspect the Macca slot is mafia?

I strongly object to this question and it's against the spirit of the game to even ask it, Bozo. Shame on you.

We should look at the words and actions of Macca (and, in due course, Worcej), to determine the slot's alignment. We absolutely should not attempt to second-guess out-of-game stuff.

Snowy is right that this is the unacceptable kind of metagaming and it should be avoided.

I do not think it is out of bounds because it is not a private GM post.

You are trying to read between the lines of a GM post in order to guess the alignment of another player.

Bob should have taken care to make his words more neutral, but I am not going to get involved in this with you, Bozo.

[bozotheclown]

I guess I should announce to everyone every single thing I do in this game because apparently I can't keep the things in doing in the background hidden.

Do we count m63 of him typing day one comments in hard to read colors as a joke?

I tend to think taking the effort to read old games is town indicative, although I have cited old games as mafia.

[DemonRHK]

So jamie, the hammer is to make a statement. I don't like the lack of pressure that subs get. Nothing about macca was AI, and if meta holds worc would just be allowed to coast until like D3 on no content.

I'm not even going to go into the low hanging fruit of how subs influenced the last game.

After a full catchup, is Sabi still your odds-on largest scumread? And who are your top three?

Your comparison with the last game is deeply flawed. In the last game, Vecna subbed in and we caught him, much of which was due to my read on the person who subbed out. Kak subbed in and was also scum, but Kak was very active and played a good game and at no point was there an issue of Kak being "given a pass" or allowed to "coast".

I've now given my current scumreads.

Is Worcej your "odds-on largest scumread?"
Or do you hold me to a higher standard than you apply to yourself?

Yes, I do hold you to a higher standard. You act high and mighty and like you are so much better than the rest of us. You have to nut up or shut up.

No, worc isn't my highest scumread. He's a policy kill. But you knew that with your snarky ass rhetorical comment since the motherfucker hasn't posted yet.

Half your scumreads have been leading wagons today, shock.

My suspicions are on Eden and celaph at the moment.

[bozotheclown]

I strongly object to this question and it's against the spirit of the game to even ask it, Bozo. Shame on you.

We should look at the words and actions of Macca (and, in due course, Worcej), to determine the slot's alignment. We absolutely should not attempt to second-guess out-of-game stuff.

Snowy is right that this is the unacceptable kind of metagaming and it should be avoided.

I do not think it is out of bounds because it is not a private GM post.

You are trying to read between the lines of a GM post in order to guess the alignment of another player.

Bob should have taken care to make his words more neutral, but I am not going to get involved in this with you, Bozo.

OK, but in general, we can't just refuse to consider in game posts because they may not be proper.