M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[damo666]

Like, either Damo is scum and the wagon is all town, or there's two scum on his wagon. That's my take.

Probably kgray and aaro

[kgray]

The thing that makes me buy it is how unprepared he was to answer when he was questioned on it.

I'm still conflicted about this. I don't think he was being honest about using the term "goon" to refer to a general bad guy and not a non-PR scum role. That explanation really feels like he thought he was caught knowing too much and panicked.

And, one thing that I think is odd about bona is his focus on people's reads of him. I think it feels more like a paranoia about being caught than a paranoia that he's being manipulated, which was mostly what I felt in my first game.

Why would he use "goon" that way if he knew too much in the first place, though? If he's scum, I can't see him not saying that intentionally to fake a townslip, and if he was faking a townslip, he would have had an answer ready.

Regardless of his alignment, I think he did know what "goon" meant in a mafia terminology sense (he'd used it correctly before) and that was what he was referring to. I think he just panicked when people reacted so strongly and quickly to that word, and if he were town he wouldn't have any reason to lie about what he meant by it. It's not the most incriminating evidence but I don't think it's townclearing at all.

[ghug]

I'm still conflicted about this. I don't think he was being honest about using the term "goon" to refer to a general bad guy and not a non-PR scum role. That explanation really feels like he thought he was caught knowing too much and panicked.

And, one thing that I think is odd about bona is his focus on people's reads of him. I think it feels more like a paranoia about being caught than a paranoia that he's being manipulated, which was mostly what I felt in my first game.

Why would he use "goon" that way if he knew too much in the first place, though? If he's scum, I can't see him not saying that intentionally to fake a townslip, and if he was faking a townslip, he would have had an answer ready.

Regardless of his alignment, I think he did know what "goon" meant in a mafia terminology sense (he'd used it correctly before) and that was what he was referring to. I think he just panicked when people reacted so strongly and quickly to that word, and if he were town he wouldn't have any reason to lie about what he meant by it. It's not the most incriminating evidence but I don't think it's townclearing at all.

If he was scum, he definitely knew Jamie wasn't a goon.

[kgray]

Why would he use "goon" that way if he knew too much in the first place, though? If he's scum, I can't see him not saying that intentionally to fake a townslip, and if he was faking a townslip, he would have had an answer ready.

Regardless of his alignment, I think he did know what "goon" meant in a mafia terminology sense (he'd used it correctly before) and that was what he was referring to. I think he just panicked when people reacted so strongly and quickly to that word, and if he were town he wouldn't have any reason to lie about what he meant by it. It's not the most incriminating evidence but I don't think it's townclearing at all.

If he was scum, he definitely knew Jamie wasn't a goon.

Yes I know, that's why people are questioning if it was a fake townslip... I don't have any opinion about whether or not that slip was forced or not. I just think the way he reacted was suspicious.

[Hellenic Riot]

@kgray

Aside from his reaction to my claim, what do you think about celaph in general?

[Chaqa]

Like, either Damo is scum and the wagon is all town, or there's two scum on his wagon. That's my take.

Do you still think that if it's town v town?

Oh. That's a good point. I'm not sure.

[kgray]

@kgray

Aside from his reaction to my claim, what do you think about celaph in general?

I just started going through his ISO now. From memory, overall I've thought he seemed pretty bold and confident, even though he's not a prolific poster, and he doesn't feel like he's hiding anything.

I also think Bunny feeding him that "townslip" looks good for him, despite my initial suspicion, because it would just make celaph look too shady if Bunny flipped first especially in a game with a coordinator.

[Hellenic Riot]

@kgray

Aside from his reaction to my claim, what do you think about celaph in general?

I just started going through his ISO now. From memory, overall I've thought he seemed pretty bold and confident, even though he's not a prolific poster, and he doesn't feel like he's hiding anything.

I also think Bunny feeding him that "townslip" looks good for him, despite my initial suspicion, because it would just make celaph look too shady if Bunny flipped first especially in a game with a coordinator.

Do you still think that if you consider than Bunny's D1 bus looks like he was trying to set himself up as the scum deep threat, though?

[ghug]

I think kgray just forgot scum got to chat pregame, which reflects pretty well on her.

[kgray]

Bunny made an effort early to incorporate us newer players in a non-antagonistic fashion. Asked aaro about his approach to the game to learn more about a player he didn't know. Shared a nice tracker bot that I had never heard of before.

I guess this could be a fake slip, but I feel like Bunny probably told scum in the pre-chat that he knows aaro.

[kgray]

I think kgray just forgot scum got to chat pregame, which reflects pretty well on her.

I didn't forget that?

[Chaqa]

I think kgray just forgot scum got to chat pregame, which reflects pretty well on her.

Wait, they did?

[kgray]

@kgray

Aside from his reaction to my claim, what do you think about celaph in general?

I just started going through his ISO now. From memory, overall I've thought he seemed pretty bold and confident, even though he's not a prolific poster, and he doesn't feel like he's hiding anything.

I also think Bunny feeding him that "townslip" looks good for him, despite my initial suspicion, because it would just make celaph look too shady if Bunny flipped first especially in a game with a coordinator.

Do you still think that if you consider than Bunny's D1 bus looks like he was trying to set himself up as the scum deep threat, though?

Yes, I still think it's a pretty risky move, and I don't think scum would decide one person is going to be a deep threat that early in the game. Too much can happen.

[Fluminator]

To be fair, when bunny voted teacon, it looked unlikely teacon would get the votes. And he was away at eod.

[ghug]

I think kgray just forgot scum got to chat pregame, which reflects pretty well on her.

I didn't forget that?

Oh ok never mind then.

[Fluminator]

I mean, Teacon didn't actually get the votes.

[Hellenic Riot]

I am also going back through celaph's ISO, and I've so far noted that celaph hedged a possible scumread on teacon D1 and also brought up a willingness to get Yoyo D2 without voting for either of them. I also don't really like that Bunny repeatedly went out of his way to interact with celaph but that celaph never once reacted in kind - I feel that a newbie playing his first game here would be more interested in developing a relationship there.

I also find his hypo-jails to be very problematic and somehow that's never come up (why on earth was he picking Bona N1 and Vecna N2 when he hadn't given a read of any sort on either of them?). The fact that giving those hypojails was the only comment whatsoever that he made in the ~24 hours between Durga claiming and Durga revealing her second guilty was on Bunny looks very much like someone ducking under the radar, too.

I also note that very early on when he talks about his style of play, he suggests that he finds scum via PoE - Something which I haven't seen him attempt at any point in this entire game.

[Fluminator]

If there was a pregame thread, it's possible they planned some stuff, but scum usually don't want to be performative because it's much more likely to backfire and look obvious.
I'd expect Bunny was just trying to get on the good side of a new player instead of a prearranged distance play.

Although Bunny would be the type of scum player to try to arrange something like that.

[Hellenic Riot]

If there was a pregame thread, it's possible they planned some stuff, but scum usually don't want to be performative because it's much more likely to backfire and look obvious.
I'd expect Bunny was just trying to get on the good side of a new player instead of a prearranged distance play.

Although Bunny would be the type of scum player to try to arrange something like that.

If there was one word I'd use to describe Bunny last time I saw him with a QT (M57), it'd be performative, tbh.

[aarodactyl]

If there was a pregame thread, it's possible they planned some stuff, but scum usually don't want to be performative because it's much more likely to backfire and look obvious.
I'd expect Bunny was just trying to get on the good side of a new player instead of a prearranged distance play.

Although Bunny would be the type of scum player to try to arrange something like that.

Bunny 100% would do something like that