M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Sure, fair enough. Why have you refused to allow towntells from celaph and aaro influence your reads of them, despite agreeing with (or pointing out in the first place) that those things are towny?

They have. There's a reason I'm not voting for aaro right now. The single towntell from celaph was nice, but it was lonely, and it came on the back of him talking about how town go against the grain for a while.

I told Flum that I townread everyone, and that's kinda the problem right now. I've gotta vote for the people I townread least.

If you think I'm most likely to be scum (by virtue of being one you town read the least), why are you waiting until bona voted for casting a vote yourself? Did you find anything in Bona's new arguments to be persuasive?

I decided I wanted a counter wagon to damo and one I liked presented itself.

[Bonatogether]

Bonaventure, you're obviously a fan of these types of games (seeing you play among us)
What experience do you have with forum mafia before this?

I've never played forum mafia before.

[ghug]

So you don’t want damo anymore because reasons?

Reasons are I don't want a runaway wagon halfway through the day.

Why not? You started the damo wagon.

And it will be there for me to rejoin at the end if I so choose.

[ghug]

I guess something else to consider is saying "claim jailer by EoD time tomorrow or we won't believe you later". Then scum have to gamble on who claims.

Durga's idea was much better, why didn't you suggest what she did?

Because I hadn't thought of it yet? Every other player also didn't suggest Durga's idea.

[kgray]

As i lie in bed waiting for sleep to take me, I've decided that basically everyone active tonight staying up late trying to solve the game is pretty solid town. It really felt like townies trying to solve a case and no one posturing.

This means
Ghug
Kgray
Chaqa
Aaro
Cephas
are all reasonably solid townreads.

My list of people I'll consider are:
Balki waa not quite there. Sorry Balki
Maniac
Bona
Bozo: (but he'd probably be my last choice in this group)
Damo

How about damo today then?

Nope. 1 on 1 conversation is a bit different, especially when it's entirely reactive.

He's saying he wants you to vote damo.

[kgray]

I wish Tom wasn't so MIA.

I'm feeling today should be Bozo or Damo. Probably the other the next day unless the first one flips scum? Idk. Are we letting a newb scum get away with something?

I really don't think bozo is scum.

[Bonatogether]

Where did Flum say he always thought Hamilton was obvtown? Why do you think scum is more likely to switch between TvT wagons close to EOD?

d1:

HB sus too

d2:

He's [HB] been obvtowning him since day 1.

Where do I say that scum is more likely to switch? But if I had to guess, because it lets them claim that they were less sure and vacillated for a while before finally voting.

[kgray]

Ok, maybe this is stupid but I still want to check this theory for the future. I think scum collectively never voted at least one of their partners based on how heavy they bussed.

aarodactyl
Balki Bartokomous - Bunny
Bonatogether
bozotheclown - Jamiet
celaph
Chaqa - Bunny
damo666
ghug
kgray
Maniac - Jamiet

Taking out my townreads, if this theory is correct Bona and damo are increased chances to be scum. I doubt I'll have time to do a deep check on scum ISOs on how much they shaded people without voting them. (Like Teacon put damo as one of his top scumreads in his eon posts, even though he didn't vote him)

I can't help but feel like his is a weird way to find more reasons to shade damo, and imo it's just as bad as damo's argument that scum are more likely to vote town twice in a row than scum.

[ghug]

@bozo what you seem to be doing is having decided I'm the DK you proceed to backfit everything to indicate that I am the smuggler to justify your choice of DK.

That is is archetypal scumplay (although I don't think you are scum just a misguided tunneller).

You were already one of my top scum suspects, but then it turned out with Yoyoyozo flipping scum that you are the only possibility for smuggler if the smuggler gave their real targets, and I think there were good reasons for the smuggler to give their real targets. That is why I think you are the best option today, because if it turns out you are the smuggler, we know we have to DK ghug next.

I think your whole thought process is flawed on the "if you were jailer who would you visit" thing. You specifically said if you were jailer. If I were a town PR (or even a scum one) I would not have given my real visits. I would have given who I would have visited if I was the jailer.

I'm not sure if this weird logic is scummy or usual Bozo insanity.

Chaqa, there wasn't another town PR who could have visited anyone. Tom was outed, Neph was dead, and HR hadn't saved anyone, which means he couldn't be tracked. If you're scum caught visiting and then you lie about your visits, you can't credibly claim jailer anymore (as happened to your strong townread BunnyGo).

[Maniac]

##vote celaph

[kgray]

Where did Flum say he always thought Hamilton was obvtown? Why do you think scum is more likely to switch between TvT wagons close to EOD?

d1:

HB sus too

d2:

He's [HB] been obvtowning him since day 1.

Where do I say that scum is more likely to switch? But if I had to guess, because it lets them claim that they were less sure and vacillated for a while before finally voting.

Flum was saying damo thought Hamilton was obvtown since D1, not that Flum thought Hamilton was obvtown.

And you included: "Also was a late hopper on the brain speed wagon" when explaining why you scumread Flum, so I assumed you found that scummy. Did I get that wrong? Do you think Flum was faking being less sure, and if so, why do you think he was more than others who switched late?

[Fluminator]

How about damo today then?

Nope. 1 on 1 conversation is a bit different, especially when it's entirely reactive.

He's saying he wants you to vote damo.

I see it now. maybe

[Fluminator]

Where did Flum say he always thought Hamilton was obvtown? Why do you think scum is more likely to switch between TvT wagons close to EOD?

d1:

HB sus too

d2:

He's [HB] been obvtowning him since day 1.

what kgray just said

I thought HB was obvtown the following night though.

[ghug]

As i lie in bed waiting for sleep to take me, I've decided that basically everyone active tonight staying up late trying to solve the game is pretty solid town. It really felt like townies trying to solve a case and no one posturing.

This means
Ghug
Kgray
Chaqa
Aaro
Cephas
are all reasonably solid townreads.

My list of people I'll consider are:
Balki waa not quite there. Sorry Balki
Maniac
Bona
Bozo: (but he'd probably be my last choice in this group)
Damo

I'm rather curious how my name has become cephas in two of your recent messages.

Flum getting your name wrong is a rite of passage in webDip mafia.

He still thinks I'm goog.

[kgray]

At least one newbie probably is scum.

Why do you think this?

[ghug]

You were already one of my top scum suspects, but then it turned out with Yoyoyozo flipping scum that you are the only possibility for smuggler if the smuggler gave their real targets, and I think there were good reasons for the smuggler to give their real targets. That is why I think you are the best option today, because if it turns out you are the smuggler, we know we have to DK ghug next.

I think your whole thought process is flawed on the "if you were jailer who would you visit" thing. You specifically said if you were jailer. If I were a town PR (or even a scum one) I would not have given my real visits. I would have given who I would have visited if I was the jailer.

I'm not sure if this weird logic is scummy or usual Bozo insanity.

Is it really possible that people dont understand why we compiled the who would you jail list? We knew Durga saw either the jailer or scum pr. We made this very clear several times. We also made it clear that we were making the list so Durga could see if the people she visited lied about their visits. If they didn’t lie, she wasn’t going to immediately out them. However if they lied, she was going to out them as scum. The point of that was to try to force scum pr to answer honestly or force being outed. It worked perfectly and we got bunny. The downside was it worked too well and worcej has time to get themself modkilled.

I don't think we ever said they weren't going to be outed if they told the truth.

[Chaqa]

You were already one of my top scum suspects, but then it turned out with Yoyoyozo flipping scum that you are the only possibility for smuggler if the smuggler gave their real targets, and I think there were good reasons for the smuggler to give their real targets. That is why I think you are the best option today, because if it turns out you are the smuggler, we know we have to DK ghug next.

I think your whole thought process is flawed on the "if you were jailer who would you visit" thing. You specifically said if you were jailer. If I were a town PR (or even a scum one) I would not have given my real visits. I would have given who I would have visited if I was the jailer.

I'm not sure if this weird logic is scummy or usual Bozo insanity.

Is it really possible that people dont understand why we compiled the who would you jail list? We knew Durga saw either the jailer or scum pr. We made this very clear several times. We also made it clear that we were making the list so Durga could see if the people she visited lied about their visits. If they didn’t lie, she wasn’t going to immediately out them. However if they lied, she was going to out them as scum. The point of that was to try to force scum pr to answer honestly or force being outed. It worked perfectly and we got bunny. The downside was it worked too well and worcej has time to get themself modkilled.

Oh, I thought Durga claimed after the Jailer questionnaire.

[Fluminator]

Ok, maybe this is stupid but I still want to check this theory for the future. I think scum collectively never voted at least one of their partners based on how heavy they bussed.

aarodactyl
Balki Bartokomous - Bunny
Bonatogether
bozotheclown - Jamiet
celaph
Chaqa - Bunny
damo666
ghug
kgray
Maniac - Jamiet

Taking out my townreads, if this theory is correct Bona and damo are increased chances to be scum. I doubt I'll have time to do a deep check on scum ISOs on how much they shaded people without voting them. (Like Teacon put damo as one of his top scumreads in his eon posts, even though he didn't vote him)

I can't help but feel like his is a weird way to find more reasons to shade damo, and imo it's just as bad as damo's argument that scum are more likely to vote town twice in a row than scum.

lol fair. It might be stupid. Just knowing what I know of scum psychology, they would stop short of bussing literally everyone on their team.

[ghug]

Ok, maybe this is stupid but I still want to check this theory for the future. I think scum collectively never voted at least one of their partners based on how heavy they bussed.

aarodactyl
Balki Bartokomous - Bunny
Bonatogether
bozotheclown - Jamiet
celaph
Chaqa - Bunny
damo666
ghug
kgray
Maniac - Jamiet

Taking out my townreads, if this theory is correct Bona and damo are increased chances to be scum. I doubt I'll have time to do a deep check on scum ISOs on how much they shaded people without voting them. (Like Teacon put damo as one of his top scumreads in his eon posts, even though he didn't vote him)

I can't help but feel like his is a weird way to find more reasons to shade damo, and imo it's just as bad as damo's argument that scum are more likely to vote town twice in a row than scum.

At least it's based on what he believes scum are likely to do and not fake math.

[Fluminator]

I'm rather curious how my name has become cephas in two of your recent messages.

Flum getting your name wrong is a rite of passage in webDip mafia.

He still thinks I'm goog.

I'm not that bad lmao.