Pairs Diplomacy Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

TO THE ENGLISH GENERAL

Move as you see fit, however I do want to take Norway this turn, that is for sure

[Theodoric]

To the Honored Sir Wolkstein-Trostburg,

The Sultanate extends greetings to our dear friends in the Dual Monarchy. We wish to confirm our plans not to contest Austrian control of Greece. In return, we ask that the Serbian army support Bulgaria to Rumania. We note that, pending negotiations with Russia, we may choose not to follow through on this move. If we decide to take this move off the table, I will promptly inform our Austrian friends.

-Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire.

To the Sultan

This has been... concerning to hear that you would openly negotiate against me. But I shall nonetheless try to dissuade you from assaulting the me. Your benefit of working with the Russians is that you get complete control over the Mediterranean, the Balkans, Italy, and Western Europe. The specific center count would be up to you, but we'd essentially roll West, classic juggernaut. It's tried and true, works almost every time. However, we are playing with cunning players, so I expect that it will be more difficult than a simple swarm to the west. Also, by working with us, you no longer have to fight a northern front, you can stay safely on one side of the stalemate line, and should this go long term, your position will be better for stabbing me than my position will be for stabbing you. You'll have the upper hand in this alliance, with moves being relatively simple, whereas I'll have to fight the north too. Alliance with the Austrians will instead give you gains around the Black Sea, but you will soon be cut off by your own ally, and forced to fight there too. Austria can quickly get the jump on you in Rumania and Bulgaria, Sevastopol will be isolated and fall, and you're forced to turtle for all eternity. By working with the Czar, you will always have room to expand. I'll move the army to Rumania should you agree to the deal.

I hope you consider the offer.
Czar.

To the Czar,

I entirely understand your discomfort at seeing me openly discuss alternatives to alliance with you. I am always concerned as Turkey about being boxed in early, and as a result feel that I need to consider all options. This is particularly true because the nature of this game makes it more likely that negotiations fail due to a lack of time. My interpretation of your previous messages was that you had been friendly but had not committed to working with me in a way that was legible to me. I appreciate this clearer communication.

I appreciate the advantages of an alliance between Russia and Turkey, for both of us. I also appreciate the limitations of alliance with Austria--particularly given the discussion of a central triple alliance. At the same time, while I agree that a Russia-Turkey alliance can favor Turkey in the long-run, I feel that it presents substantial early risks for Turkey, particularly since it requires Turkey to commit more clearly than Russia needs to. I am comfortable taking that risk, but want to do a bit more to iron out specifics with you. Please note that the following are not demands, but just my first draft of a potential solution. In all cases, we could modify the agreement with mutual permission:

a) We both agree not to move to Armenia indefinitely
b) You take Rumania indefinitely
c) You leave your fleet in Sevastopol
d) I will recommend to my general that they move Ankara-Constantinople, but they will maintain the right to move to the Black Sea if they feel it is necessary this turn. If they do, they'll vacate the Black Sea next year.

I agree that we don't need to talk about specific centers now. However, I would also like to be prioritized for the next Southern build, assuming that you get Rumania and Sweden. If you're held out of Sweden, I wouldn't expect to be prioritized.

How does this sound to you?

-Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire

[Theodoric]

To the great Ottoman General,

As you can see, negotiations are incomplete. Unfortunately, internal state business will draw me away from the negotiation table until the turn resolves. I trust you to use your best judgment, given the discussion so far and the discussion that occurs after my message.

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To the Esteemed Victor Emanuel III of Italy,

We in the Sultanate hold you and your nation in the highest regard. Thus we look upon the insubordination of your general with the deepest sorrow. If an Italian fleet remains in the Ionian, we may feel the need to place our own naval assets on the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, this has the potential to create further conflict, even if either of us does not desire such conflict.

I ask you to consider taking Tunis with your fleet this turn, in order to reassure the Sultanate of a peaceful Western maritime border. Please let us know if this is agreeable to you. Don't hesitate to share any concerns with this proposal--we are happy to discuss and to come to a mutually agreeable settlement.

-Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire

On behalf of Italy, I am so sorry I did not see your telegram instead, and I did not have time to relay the new orders to my general. I will understand if you will move a fleet into the Mediterranean, but I hope you will forgive us after seeing my builds for this winter.

I will order my general to use our new resources to build a fleet in Rome. I hope this will convince you that I do not wish to move further East.

I will be ordering my general to

[DreamTrawler]

Ah, winter. The sweet sound of fleets being built and armies being trained.

Some notes and requests for the other powers -

Russia - Conspiring toward a “Juggernaut” alliance with Turkey is not in accordance with our Sweden deal, as that would likely lead to an invasion of my good friend Austria. Please reconsider.

England - Your general (or admiral, rather) made an interesting move to the Barents Sea. Russia will be building in St Petersburg this season, so you two will likely come to blows. Let me know what your thoughts are on this development.

France - If possible, I would like to see at least one fleet build. Two armies would make me quite concerned.

And finally, to my own general, I will defer to you on build options, unless a neighbor requests something specific. As for now, I think army Munich is a good idea, but am not sure about the other build.

- envoy to the Kaiser of Germany

[Pengwinja]

Ah, winter. The sweet sound of fleets being built and armies being trained.

Some notes and requests for the other powers -

Russia - Conspiring toward a “Juggernaut” alliance with Turkey is not in accordance with our Sweden deal, as that would likely lead to an invasion of my good friend Austria. Please reconsider.

England - Your general (or admiral, rather) made an interesting move to the Barents Sea. Russia will be building in St Petersburg this season, so you two will likely come to blows. Let me know what your thoughts are on this development.

France - If possible, I would like to see at least one fleet build. Two armies would make me quite concerned.

And finally, to my own general, I will defer to you on build options, unless a neighbor requests something specific. As for now, I think army Munich is a good idea, but am not sure about the other build.

- envoy to the Kaiser of Germany

To the Kaiser,
I belive that the English would not be happy with a fleet, so I will wait until they respond. However, if there is no response, I think a Fleet could be arranged.
Still breathing,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

[sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)]

To the Esteemed Victor Emanuel III of Italy,

We in the Sultanate hold you and your nation in the highest regard. Thus we look upon the insubordination of your general with the deepest sorrow. If an Italian fleet remains in the Ionian, we may feel the need to place our own naval assets on the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, this has the potential to create further conflict, even if either of us does not desire such conflict.

I ask you to consider taking Tunis with your fleet this turn, in order to reassure the Sultanate of a peaceful Western maritime border. Please let us know if this is agreeable to you. Don't hesitate to share any concerns with this proposal--we are happy to discuss and to come to a mutually agreeable settlement.

-Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire

On behalf of Italy, I am so sorry I did not see your telegram instead, and I did not have time to relay the new orders to my general. I will understand if you will move a fleet into the Mediterranean, but I hope you will forgive us after seeing my builds for this winter.

I will order my general to use our new resources to build a fleet in Rome. I hope this will convince you that I do not wish to move further East.

I will be ordering my general to

Sorry about that, I made a typo in my last transmission

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ah, winter. The sweet sound of fleets being built and armies being trained.

Some notes and requests for the other powers -

Russia - Conspiring toward a “Juggernaut” alliance with Turkey is not in accordance with our Sweden deal, as that would likely lead to an invasion of my good friend Austria. Please reconsider.

England - Your general (or admiral, rather) made an interesting move to the Barents Sea. Russia will be building in St Petersburg this season, so you two will likely come to blows. Let me know what your thoughts are on this development.

France - If possible, I would like to see at least one fleet build. Two armies would make me quite concerned.

And finally, to my own general, I will defer to you on build options, unless a neighbor requests something specific. As for now, I think army Munich is a good idea, but am not sure about the other build.

- envoy to the Kaiser of Germany

To the Kaiser,
I belive that the English would not be happy with a fleet, so I will wait until they respond. However, if there is no response, I think a Fleet could be arranged.
Still breathing,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

Hey @France! I’d rather not you build a fleet, as my options are rather limited if you do, I dont see how it would be anything other than aggresive. Thank you

-England

[Pengwinja]

Ah, winter. The sweet sound of fleets being built and armies being trained.

Some notes and requests for the other powers -

Russia - Conspiring toward a “Juggernaut” alliance with Turkey is not in accordance with our Sweden deal, as that would likely lead to an invasion of my good friend Austria. Please reconsider.

England - Your general (or admiral, rather) made an interesting move to the Barents Sea. Russia will be building in St Petersburg this season, so you two will likely come to blows. Let me know what your thoughts are on this development.

France - If possible, I would like to see at least one fleet build. Two armies would make me quite concerned.

And finally, to my own general, I will defer to you on build options, unless a neighbor requests something specific. As for now, I think army Munich is a good idea, but am not sure about the other build.

- envoy to the Kaiser of Germany

To the Kaiser,
I belive that the English would not be happy with a fleet, so I will wait until they respond. However, if there is no response, I think a Fleet could be arranged.
Still breathing,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

Hey @France! I’d rather not you build a fleet, as my options are rather limited if you do, I dont see how it would be anything other than aggresive. Thank you

-England

To the Western countries of Germany and England,
Both of you have requested something of my builds, and both of them cannot be fulfilled. Unless someone says something otherwise, I am fine with building a fleet, but of course, do not have the final say in that matter. If my general wants to change what they build i will follow what they do from there.
Trying to be friends,
The diplomat of France, Pengwinja

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Germany
@France

Seeing as how one of us making a move against one of the others would cause us to all implode, ow would you guys feel about us three pushing eastward? France against Italy, Me against Russia, and Germany as mild support?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Germany
@France

Seeing as how one of us making a move against one of the others would cause us to all implode, ow would you guys feel about us three pushing eastward? France against Italy, Me against Russia, and Germany as mild support?

Its a very unorthodox strategy, but this game is an unorthodox one!

[DarthPorg36]

To England - It seems we must fight in the arctic. To war! To war! Men and Women of Russia unite! You cannot lose when snow fall comes!

To Kaiser - considering my newest entanglement in the north, I think Austria is safe and sound.

To Austria - Like I said to the Kaiser, I don't plan on invading when my attention must be to the north

To Turkey - Glad the deal worked out. Thoughts on progression?

To France - want to land in England? Fight off those scumbags?

To General - A Mos and F StP NC or A StP up next please, depending on what you see is best. Fleet probably is better, but up to you.

[Pengwinja]

To the Kaiser,
How do you feel about the deal that England is trying to make? There is no point in me going along if you don’t follow. My response to this deal will be changed by yours. (And also Italy’s to an extent)
Patiently waiting for your response,
The diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

[DreamTrawler]

@Germany
@France

Seeing as how one of us making a move against one of the others would cause us to all implode, ow would you guys feel about us three pushing eastward? France against Italy, Me against Russia, and Germany as mild support?

An interesting proposal. I won't say I'm not tempted. My main worry is I would be very open to a backstab from one of you two. That being said, it does provide a solution to the builds problem, as France can build fleet Mar (which I think France should do regardless).

If we were to enact this plan (not saying we will!) then I would like Belgium as insurance. However, I want to hear from Austria before deciding.

-Kaiser

[Pengwinja]

@Germany
@France

Seeing as how one of us making a move against one of the others would cause us to all implode, ow would you guys feel about us three pushing eastward? France against Italy, Me against Russia, and Germany as mild support?

An interesting proposal. I won't say I'm not tempted. My main worry is I would be very open to a backstab from one of you two. That being said, it does provide a solution to the builds problem, as France can build fleet Mar (which I think France should do regardless).

If we were to enact this plan (not saying we will!) then I would like Belgium as insurance. However, I want to hear from Austria before deciding.

-Kaiser

To the Germans and English.
I feel like one of us will draw the short end of the straw, and in a sense, rock paper, scissors. If the English get Belgium, I won’t feel safe, if I get Belgium, Germany won’t feel safe, and if Germany gets it… the English probably won’t feel safe (It helps with the rock paper scissors analogy.)

The second problem is Austria and Turkey. If they both go against us we would not be able to make progress. If they were fine with it, however, it would go well.

Finally, as France said, it would lead to an easy stab from one of us.
Considering their options,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

[Theodoric]

To the Esteemed Victor Emanuel III of Italy,

We in the Sultanate hold you and your nation in the highest regard. Thus we look upon the insubordination of your general with the deepest sorrow. If an Italian fleet remains in the Ionian, we may feel the need to place our own naval assets on the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, this has the potential to create further conflict, even if either of us does not desire such conflict.

I ask you to consider taking Tunis with your fleet this turn, in order to reassure the Sultanate of a peaceful Western maritime border. Please let us know if this is agreeable to you. Don't hesitate to share any concerns with this proposal--we are happy to discuss and to come to a mutually agreeable settlement.

-Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire

On behalf of Italy, I am so sorry I did not see your telegram instead, and I did not have time to relay the new orders to my general. I will understand if you will move a fleet into the Mediterranean, but I hope you will forgive us after seeing my builds for this winter.

I will order my general to use our new resources to build a fleet in Rome. I hope this will convince you that I do not wish to move further East.

I will be ordering my general to

The Sultanate gratefully accepts the apology of the Kingdom of Rome. We understand that inter-departmental communication does not rank with cuisine, art, music, and insulting hand gestures among your civilization's greatest strengths. A fleet in Rome would be welcomed by us.

-Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire

[Theodoric]

To the Czar,

Thank you for following through on your offer to take Rumania with your army. Our generals have cooperated successfully, and I hope that we can maintain that cooperation.

[Pengwinja]

To the Kaiser,
It seems that Austria has not responded. What are you going to do?
Eating a Baguette,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

[DreamTrawler]

To the Kaiser,
It seems that Austria has not responded. What are you going to do?
Eating a Baguette,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.

I suppose the question is - what are you going to do? England’s bold move to Barents means he has no choice but to fight Russia. You and I, however, do have a choice. Do we see this as an opportunity to put aside any enmity between the Western powers and head east? Or is this instead an opportunity to catch England out of position, with their fleets spread too thin? Your decision is even more important than mine as one requires fleet Brest, the other fleet Marseilles. I will probably be building army Munich and fleet Kiel regardless.

- Kaiser

[Pengwinja]

To the Kaiser,
I think that England is panicking. I would like Austria to respond, but it seems they have fallen asleep. The best Idea at this point would be to go towards England if we don’t know Austria’s orientation.
Waiting not as patiently,
The Diplomat of France, Pengwinja.