M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Vecna]

Hey bozo, do you have an overview with all the visits done on every night by every claimed role?

[bozotheclown]

So youre using logic that relies on 3 people being scum together?

Why not, we are probably looking for 3 scum.

I think this depends.

If foodcoats is town, it can easily be 4 remaining, seeing how scum and 3p are effectively denied an entire night of kills when the LR is activated.

Regardless, if I was going to bus, why not just squigs? Was a pretty perfect target to bus

Do you now think Squigs is scum?

[bozotheclown]

Hey bozo, do you have an overview with all the visits done on every night by every claimed role?

no

[Vecna]

Im sort of in a 50/50 situation now

Either we have max 1 scum in the QT and most of the obvious slots are scum

Or we have some sneaky conspiracy going on.

I dont think Fox or squigs have done anything in particular that has given me a strong read there. I suck at reading fox in general, and he had some scummy and some ok things going on. Squigs got thrown into a game with like 250 pages, so I dont really think its a smart move to try to read scum intention into him just chilling. Especially since its understandable he'd be "ok" getting lynched and just blowing up the most likely other scum.

I think the play from the slot couldve come from either alignment.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also jamiet, I mightve been very vocal - but why did you not do the deductions yourself?

Town tracker + town watcher + town lie detector + town motion detector + town? xorxes + 3-4 town protectives?

I promised to stop the mechanical stuff, but this is so overwhelmingly crazy. Why do I need to do the yelling and why is not anyone else noticing that something just does not add up?

When were there four protective claims?

I know there were two town protectives because one of them is me, and one of them was Brainbomb.

We know there was a town tracker and a town watcher and a town lie detector and a town motion detector. If you are town, your continued disbelief that town would have so many kewl roles has led you to several totally wrong conclusions so far, I'm afraid.

[Chaqa]

Neph has repeatedly said his role is not Protective but Roleblocking as well.

As has Foodcoats.

[bozotheclown]

Im sort of in a 50/50 situation now

Either we have max 1 scum in the QT and most of the obvious slots are scum

Or we have some sneaky conspiracy going on.

I dont think Fox or squigs have done anything in particular that has given me a strong read there. I suck at reading fox in general, and he had some scummy and some ok things going on. Squigs got thrown into a game with like 250 pages, so I dont really think its a smart move to try to read scum intention into him just chilling. Especially since its understandable he'd be "ok" getting lynched and just blowing up the most likely other scum.

I think the play from the slot couldve come from either alignment.

What about so many players following your switch from Squigs to Temasek? If Squigs was town, the mafia could have taken out both by lynching Squigs, rather than let Squigs be lynched D6 when his target could be scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Both Fox and Neph so far have done weird reaction tests, making a big show of asking people for input and never doing anything relevant with it afterwards

Good point.

@NEPH: Could you explain your survey / test yesterday please?

[bozotheclown]

Also jamiet, I mightve been very vocal - but why did you not do the deductions yourself?

Town tracker + town watcher + town lie detector + town motion detector + town? xorxes + 3-4 town protectives?

I promised to stop the mechanical stuff, but this is so overwhelmingly crazy. Why do I need to do the yelling and why is not anyone else noticing that something just does not add up?

When were there four protective claims?

I know there were two town protectives because one of them is me, and one of them was Brainbomb.

We know there was a town tracker and a town watcher and a town lie detector and a town motion detector. If you are town, your continued disbelief that town would have so many kewl roles has led you to several totally wrong conclusions so far, I'm afraid.

The driver was protective, and the JOAT was partially protective.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remind me, does a strongman generally kill JAILKEPT targets?

Yes. Strongman can usually get past Jailor.

[Jamiet99uk]

I cannot continue being wrong.

Unless
you
are
doing
it
on
purpose

[Vecna]

Neph has repeatedly said his role is not Protective but Roleblocking as well.

As has Foodcoats.

I meant protective as in a "they can save important PRs from death"

Not in an adjudication and how it interacts with the inquisitor sort of way.

@jamiet: busdriver, Jailkeeper, doc, whatever you are, and even the JOAT had 2 protective actions.

That makes 4-5 even if you and Neph are town.

Anyways, im guessing the way the game was intended to be balanced by the GM was that town was going to lose a bunch of those roles to the inquisitor, so who knows.

[Vecna]

Remind me, does a strongman generally kill JAILKEPT targets?

Yes. Strongman can usually get past Jailor.

You certain about this?

[Vecna]

Im sort of in a 50/50 situation now

Either we have max 1 scum in the QT and most of the obvious slots are scum

Or we have some sneaky conspiracy going on.

I dont think Fox or squigs have done anything in particular that has given me a strong read there. I suck at reading fox in general, and he had some scummy and some ok things going on. Squigs got thrown into a game with like 250 pages, so I dont really think its a smart move to try to read scum intention into him just chilling. Especially since its understandable he'd be "ok" getting lynched and just blowing up the most likely other scum.

I think the play from the slot couldve come from either alignment.

What about so many players following your switch from Squigs to Temasek? If Squigs was town, the mafia could have taken out both by lynching Squigs, rather than let Squigs be lynched D6 when his target could be scum.

That is unpredictable though. I was telling squigs to directly take out Xorxes. Town temasek couldve moved off the wagon as well if he came back last minute. Maybe a bunch of the townies sheeped me, and there were more scum than town remaining on the squigs wagon?

Switching to Tem was the guaranteed good outcome for scum. They could simply blame it on me. Squigs flipping town and taking someone out would look bad on other people.

Anyways im not saying that you are wrong for thinking that the simple solution might very well be the correct one. You could be absolutely correct.

Trying to predict what scum would and wouldnt do remains dangerous here in my eyes.

[Vecna]

I cannot continue being wrong.

Unless
you
are
doing
it
on
purpose

I mean, this goes without saying right? Youre just going to have to try and get an accurate read on me

[Jamiet99uk]

Remind me, does a strongman generally kill JAILKEPT targets?

Yes. Strongman can usually get past Jailor.

You certain about this?

I am certain that it is the normal adjudication for the role, yes. I cannot be certain that Worcej is applying it normally, if indeed a Strongman exists at all, because this is a closed setup and Worcej has clearly been fiddling with the roles - for example Brainbomb being a doctor that could repeatedly protect the same person.

[Chaqa]

I would strongly recommend everyone crumb all their information at EoN.

I would note I plan on doing this, and some of my QT members are being strongly opposed to it, which I find extremely anti-town and suspicious. The Tem flip has made me realize I need to stick to my guns and stop being influenced by others so much.

[Jamiet99uk]

I would strongly recommend everyone crumb all their information at EoN.

I would note I plan on doing this, and some of my QT members are being strongly opposed to it, which I find extremely anti-town and suspicious. The Tem flip has made me realize I need to stick to my guns and stop being influenced by others so much.

"Crumb" or "blurt out"?

[Chaqa]

Crumb is the wrong word here I suppose. Reveal is what I mean.

[Chaqa]

I would strongly recommend everyone crumb all their information at EoN.

I would note I plan on doing this, and some of my QT members are being strongly opposed to it, which I find extremely anti-town and suspicious. The Tem flip has made me realize I need to stick to my guns and stop being influenced by others so much.

"Crumb" or "blurt out"?

I'm planning on outing every single piece of information I know.