M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[bozotheclown]

Teacon's EoN1 reads:

town
ND - just because he's dead doesn't mean we should ignore what he said.
teacon7 ofc

townlean
Vecna
worcej
brainbomb
​aarodactyl - good faith newbie
Bonatogetherbozotheclown - good faith newbie

null
Hellenic Riot - too disengaged to tell
Fluminator
rdrivera2005
BunnyGo

net equivalent of null (some positive, some negative)
e.m.c^42 - i have faith in this guy
Durga - idfk how to read her. townlean because she's acting normal. scumlean if she's buddying people.
jamie - was a scumlean based on bozo's odds, now a net null because he's acting like town jamie.
kgray

scumlean
ghug
celaph
Nephthy​s
Maniac

scum
Hamilton Brian
damo666
Balki Bartokomous

who?
Yoyoyozo
VashtaNeurotic
​Chaqa

You and damo would fill this out well, there is likely at least one scum in teacon's scum reads.

[ghug]

Teacon's EoN1 reads:

town
ND - just because he's dead doesn't mean we should ignore what he said.
teacon7 ofc

townlean
Vecna
worcej
brainbomb
​aarodactyl - good faith newbie
Bonatogetherbozotheclown - good faith newbie

null
Hellenic Riot - too disengaged to tell
Fluminator
rdrivera2005
BunnyGo

net equivalent of null (some positive, some negative)
e.m.c^42 - i have faith in this guy
Durga - idfk how to read her. townlean because she's acting normal. scumlean if she's buddying people.
jamie - was a scumlean based on bozo's odds, now a net null because he's acting like town jamie.
kgray

scumlean
ghug
celaph
Nephthy​s
Maniac

scum
Hamilton Brian
damo666
Balki Bartokomous

who?
Yoyoyozo
VashtaNeurotic
​Chaqa

You and damo would fill this out well, there is likely at least one scum in teacon's scum reads.

I agree. Do you think he avoided townreading any teammates?

[ghug]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

[Hellenic Riot]

@bozo has your scumread of Flum weakened or are you just more interested in damo now for some reason?

@HR can you explain why you thought damo got scummier when he started doing things that, imo, town!damo is more likely to do?

I mean, clearly we just read him in different ways? I felt the statistics thing was route one scumplay of "copy what I'd do as town" rather than having any actual point to it, so after that I started picking him apart a bit more

[Chaqa]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

I still think all of the teacon voters should be green.

[ghug]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

I still think all of the teacon voters should be green.

Given that you haven't even read the game, you're basing this entirely on the easily disprovable assumption that nobody ever busses.

[Chaqa]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

I still think all of the teacon voters should be green.

Given that you haven't even read the game, you're basing this entirely on the easily disprovable assumption that nobody ever busses.

Imma be real.

I've read about half the game, and most of it since like Day 2-3.

I don't and never have put much value in the things people say or do outside of:
1. Votes
2. Reads list
3. Reasons for voting
4. Crumbs/slips

There's 400 pages and about 350 of it is fluff.

Teacon was a viable wagon Day 1 and I'm still shocked Bunny was scum based on that. if two scum were voting teacon, it would be a massive risk and I don't see any competent scumteam doing that. Given the teacon voters are a bloc of our most experienced players, I just don't see a world where any of them are scum.

[ghug]

I still think all of the teacon voters should be green.

Given that you haven't even read the game, you're basing this entirely on the easily disprovable assumption that nobody ever busses.

Imma be real.

I've read about half the game, and most of it since like Day 2-3.

I don't and never have put much value in the things people say or do outside of:
1. Votes
2. Reads list
3. Reasons for voting
4. Crumbs/slips

There's 400 pages and about 350 of it is fluff.

Teacon was a viable wagon Day 1 and I'm still shocked Bunny was scum based on that. if two scum were voting teacon, it would be a massive risk and I don't see any competent scumteam doing that. Given the teacon voters are a bloc of our most experienced players, I just don't see a world where any of them are scum.

Scum won two games ago by coasting on a D1 bus the whole game.

[bozotheclown]

Teacon's EoN1 reads:

town
ND - just because he's dead doesn't mean we should ignore what he said.
teacon7 ofc

townlean
Vecna
worcej
brainbomb
​aarodactyl - good faith newbie
Bonatogetherbozotheclown - good faith newbie

null
Hellenic Riot - too disengaged to tell
Fluminator
rdrivera2005
BunnyGo

net equivalent of null (some positive, some negative)
e.m.c^42 - i have faith in this guy
Durga - idfk how to read her. townlean because she's acting normal. scumlean if she's buddying people.
jamie - was a scumlean based on bozo's odds, now a net null because he's acting like town jamie.
kgray

scumlean
ghug
celaph
Nephthy​s
Maniac

scum
Hamilton Brian
damo666
Balki Bartokomous

who?
Yoyoyozo
VashtaNeurotic
​Chaqa

You and damo would fill this out well, there is likely at least one scum in teacon's scum reads.

I agree. Do you think he avoided townreading any teammates?

My guess is yes.

[ghug]

You and damo would fill this out well, there is likely at least one scum in teacon's scum reads.

I agree. Do you think he avoided townreading any teammates?

My guess is yes.

Is that because you've decided damo and I are scum or because you think teacon would avoid townreading his teammates?

[damo666]

@ghug

Why do think you think they killed Vecna?

1) Vecna had good reads and they wanted to suppress them
2) Vecna had bad reads and they wanted to use that to get miskills when we reread
3) they didn’t like that were hitting record posting levels

4) They didn't kill Tom so it's fairly obvious?

[bozotheclown]

Other reasons to suspect damo #3 (damo's changing read of me):

I didn't like damo voting for me D2, because I would expect him to consider that teacon voted for Jamie for the same reason I did (teacon's vote post quoted my vote post). damo's read of me then changed without explanation, as Vecna pointed out:

@Vecna you asked how my reads were progressing. No real change since the above post except Maniac trending upwards due to his quasi analysis and Bozo's recent activity has nudged him down a tad. I no longer classify him as 'obvtown.'

Well never mind Vecna, it seems damo is scumreading bozo more after bozo's activity. Which makes no sense to me, but I'm hardly surprised by that lol

He actually managed to find a reason to put bozo as "obvtown" after wanting to daykill him D2 and before this post where he went down a nudge again.

He refused to claim why bozo was suddenly obvtown as well.

[bozotheclown]

I agree. Do you think he avoided townreading any teammates?

My guess is yes.

Is that because you've decided damo and I are scum or because you think teacon would avoid townreading his teammates?

Neither, it is because ​I think aarodactyl and Bonatogether are town.

[bozotheclown]

Other reasons to suspect damo #4 (what HR just said):

@bozo has your scumread of Flum weakened or are you just more interested in damo now for some reason?

@HR can you explain why you thought damo got scummier when he started doing things that, imo, town!damo is more likely to do?

I mean, clearly we just read him in different ways? I felt the statistics thing was route one scumplay of "copy what I'd do as town" rather than having any actual point to it, so after that I started picking him apart a bit more

[Chaqa]

Given that you haven't even read the game, you're basing this entirely on the easily disprovable assumption that nobody ever busses.

Imma be real.

I've read about half the game, and most of it since like Day 2-3.

I don't and never have put much value in the things people say or do outside of:
1. Votes
2. Reads list
3. Reasons for voting
4. Crumbs/slips

There's 400 pages and about 350 of it is fluff.

Teacon was a viable wagon Day 1 and I'm still shocked Bunny was scum based on that. if two scum were voting teacon, it would be a massive risk and I don't see any competent scumteam doing that. Given the teacon voters are a bloc of our most experienced players, I just don't see a world where any of them are scum.

Scum won two games ago by coasting on a D1 bus the whole game.

I forget if I was in that game or not. I think maybe but I subbed out or died early? The difference there was that you guys actually did DK summit Day 1, I do remember. It's a bit different here.

[bozotheclown]

Other reasons to suspect damo #5:

Average with 12 participating:

Durga 1.92
Tom 3.00
emc 3.75
kgray 6.25
aarodactyl 6.54
ghug 9.38
Vecna 9.38
Chaqa 9.83
HR 10.00
celaph 10.29
bozo 10.38
Fluminator 10.50
Yoyoyozo 10.71
Balki 12.00
Maniac 12.92
damo 13.04
Bonatogether 13.21
Jamie 18.00

[ghug]

Other reasons to suspect damo #5:

Average with 12 participating:

Durga 1.92
Tom 3.00
emc 3.75
kgray 6.25
aarodactyl 6.54
ghug 9.38
Vecna 9.38
Chaqa 9.83
HR 10.00
celaph 10.29
bozo 10.38
Fluminator 10.50
Yoyoyozo 10.71
Balki 12.00
Maniac 12.92
damo 13.04
Bonatogether 13.21
Jamie 18.00

If this is a reason to suspect damo, then it is also a reason to not suspect me.

[Hellenic Riot]

I mean the big problem with Bozo's argument is that if Bunny - the blackmailer - lied about who he visited, why on earth would you assume that the smuggler told the truth?

[kgray]

Just read Flum's ISO and I don't think he's scum. It's a lot of little things, and I just get where he's coming from on a lot of his reads/questions. Also he's been pushing scum wagons pretty hard at times when I don't think it makes sense for scum to bus. He called out Jamie for "forgetting" about yoyo N2, which doesn't seem like something their teammate would do. And mostly, I don't think he puts that much pressure on yoyo when Jamie and Bunny were just caught by Durga. If anyone but yoyo flipped coordinator, maybe, but yoyo being coordinator makes me think there wasn't a plan to make yoyo's reaction to "bozo's copscan" seem towny.

And the main arguments that have been brought against him seem to be:

(1) Flum's responses to Neph's questioning N2. I don't think changing your read of people who are wagons at EoD is scummy and I think what Flum did was a lot less scummy than what damo did.

(2) HR's hyperfixation on Flum "sheeping" HR's damo townread. I don't think anything about what Flum did then was scummy. HR looks *way* worse throughout that interaction and still won't even explain why scum!Flum does any of that. HR doesn't even have his facts right. He says that Flum sheeped him *so much* that he was considering townreading Hamilton because damo did, and that's just objectively not true.

[kgray]

@bozo has your scumread of Flum weakened or are you just more interested in damo now for some reason?

@HR can you explain why you thought damo got scummier when he started doing things that, imo, town!damo is more likely to do?

For some reason? Didn't you read my post about damo being the smuggler? If damo is the smuggler, ghug is likely the last goon, so in that regard, my scum read of Fluminator is weakened. If damo is town or a goon, then not as much.

Yes I saw it, but it doesn't explain why you're more compelled by that than by your previous case against Flum when it is based on hypotheticals.