WebMafia Olympics - Game #2 - Star Trek TNG: The Republic of Q [GAME THREAD]

[damo666]

So how does night phase work compared to day? What are we supposed to be doing? Strategizing how not to lose I’m gathering? Other than Damo’s stupid idea of voting for me, what do we think? Eden suggests that we find the one most scum, makes sense, that’s kinda what I’ve been focusing on anyway.

I’d also like to point out the hypocrisy of Chaqa. He declared that he would vote for anyone who voted for Eden. But he did! Was that just to make up for the fact that he somehow didn’t know his Eden vote was real? Sounds like something someone would do if it was their first game…. But I didn’t make that mistake!

So again going back to Eden’s point - IF Damo is town, who do we find most likely to be mafia instead? I’m curious to know why Damo is so set on FB? All I see is that his vote on fisch opened up Damo to do his last minute vote and get rid of fisch and mess things up for us to get more than one kill. It essentially saved Will and Flav. So did FB know what he was doing and that Damo would inevitably take the bait of a last minute vote on a pretty obvi town read?

Flav and Will were high on vote counts - are they no longer on radar? FB had zero votes and I think we need to look at why, if they’re just super good at being scummy or if they’re just town.

Just my few thoughts at the moment.

Mafia have a scumchat so your opening looks like a townslip unless TFB tutored you.

I’m aware that there’s a scumchat. Nobody has tutored me. You’re getting 100% pure GlitterBomb here. Lucky you. I was trying to establish that the plan is in fact supposed to be us strategizing and I had hoped we would keep the dialogue going to do so. Unless we are are toast as some are acting we are?

I've detailed a strategy but nobody seems interested.

Hopefully when D2 starts people don't vote trigger happily early. I am telling you now scum are scumming me.

[TheFlyingBoat]

EoN1 readlist

Top = most town, Bottom = least town

Worc

100% right on this game imo and his justifiable anger at damo felt real and non-manufactured. Towniest of towns.

Eden

Eden's early game play pinged me as being heavily town oriented. His reactions to damo's shenanigans confirmed it even more and his thoughts about what to do today also lean heavy town. scum!damo's interactions and offering PE absolute control over the nomset followed by PE's response also feel towny.

-------- My feel good bar

Glitter

Still get good vibes from Glitter but the "townslip" damo mentioned had me a little worried until he called direct attention to it. I also thought it could have been coached, but I don't think scum!damo calls attention to coached behavior by his partner. A little WIFOMmy for sure but what can ya do.


Chaqa

Chaqa's behavior after my first read post seemed more genuine especially during the night. One worry was the coming in right after the damo of it all and blaming his internet. I liked his voting behavior otherwise though.


---------------- Feel bad line

Will

Handling of Flav v worc still rubs me the wrong way. His sort of defeatism and wanting to bring others down with him also kind of sussed me out as it just reeks of the classic newbie self-vote strategy which for whatever reason works on newbies sometimes. The way wagons responded to him being in danger also gives me the heebie jeebies.


Flavius

Off the bat seems to be the scummiest person around right now. If manufactured engagement was a person it would be Flavius. I posted this earlier on the reread, but I encourage y'all to go back and look yourselves. So much of his posting was just regurgitating that which has already been said followed by a bad push.


I said this in my first scum read and it literally never changed throughout the rest of the day. Dude reeks of scum energy.

Damo

Damo is one of the best players in the game before. I've played with him heavily in both town and mafia games before on his side and he is a delight. Where the hell is that damo now? He throws out one question which reeks of being a setup for either a throwaway double wagon on two of the lowest activity townspeople he can find at the deadline or a runup of a wagon on a skilled town player (which I fear might be Eden) in order to get a huge miskill on a huge town asset.

I don't think damo+lfischl is a team unless the opening post was a direct warning/coaching for lfischl but I highly doubt damo would take that risk.

Based on my priors, odds are lfischl just doesn't see it and goes inactive and damo would have to justify running up inactive wagons other than lfischl, unless damo just didn't give a shit and was open to bussing him, figuring he'd have to hard carry anyways. And while that is theoretically possible, damo doesn't seem like the kind of guy to go that hard that fast.


bolding my original damo read because it all holds true and italicizing the last part because of just how fucking prescient it was. Damo running up a wagon on low activity lfischl to save scumbuddies was literally tipped with his first post.

Add on the nonsense of intentional causing us to lose one opportunity to be wrong by one-killing and his behavior during the night trying to revive the stupid &&vote system and other schemes and Damo is clearly scum in desperation mode to help his partner over the line.

[TheFlyingBoat]

oh rip I am dumb idk why I though phase was at 1pm my time not 3pm

[worcej]

Yesterday, I got to 'destroy the world' anger that I haven't had from a mafia game for a long time. Quite honestly I had no idea why I was so invested, but I do know I was incredibly concerned with damo's play and waiting until the last second to control the phase results... probably that "buildup" of anxiety contributed to it all.

Anyways, I took a step back and hugged my son as he decided to headbutt me into my junk (not pleasant btw) and I got a good laugh in and realized this game isn't worth that level of anger.

So now, I find myself here, just spewing thoughts before EoN.

Damo, oh Damo, Who could you do this my Damo?
Let's just take a step back and think about Damo. Who is he as a person? Well, we know these things:

1. He's old. I think he's near darg, but maybe not older than him? It's a closely guarded secret.
2. He loves pubs - he can disappear in a phase due to a good night out at them.
3. He likes Poker - probably why he also likes mafia a little bit.
4. He's big into math - ask him any statistics thing and he usually will come back and explain it in detail.
5. He will self-save himself in any game if given the opportunity. He's done this most as scum, but he will do it even as a VT.
6. He has forced ties for day phases as scum by last second voting.

There's probably more, but enough of that - Why am I making this list? Because I really want to try to think if town!damo would ever do what he just did at EoD1.

So in an effort to do that, what did Damo actually do at EoD1? Well, he did this:

##vote lfischl ##vote Will

You're like - "duh? We know this." But the important thing here is he did these votes at the very last second possible. I was lightning watching the thread and was able to post this:

##vote lfischl ##vote Will

FFS

Note the timestamps - I slipped it in right as darg posted the 'DHE.PH.' post.

So why did he do it? Let's use his own words shall we:

Flav didn't die and he is town. Good result.

Will didn't die and he is town. Good result.

Lfischl died - not so good result.

Okay... weird though... when did Damo ever indicate these reads?

Let's go through and manually do this in my next post!

[worcej]

Damo town's Flavius and Will eh?
Let's have fun manually doing this shall we!

Page 6:

I think we should be cautious about voting rather than gung ho. So I don't like worcej's early votes but I don't scum him for it.

Eden's soft voting suggestion (now thankfully abandoned) I think came from a town pov.

Yes Chaqa you fucked up!

I suspect at least one mafia yet to post.

Yet to post: Flavius lfischl

Huh... First opinion was scum... Interesting...

Segeway: Caught this one, just proving Damo knew wtf he was doing.

What happens if we engineer a tie with only one top vote getter?

Don't know what you mean. If only one top vote getter it's not a tie.

Ties for 1st place all die regardless of number.

With sole top and tie for second only top dies.

Page 22: Just showing the amount of time he peaced out.

Apologies for going AWOL. Unexpectedly spent all night at A&E. Have to catch up from page 10.

Page 26:

Chaqa - town (gut)
Damo - Town (knowledge)
Flav - town (Shares top 2 Townreads and I think him v worcej smacks of TvT. However continue to hate his style and what be that bothered if he gets chopped)
Mrs Bomb - null (hate the vote on Eden)
Will - town (vibes and the plan [though daft] looked town motivated)
Lfischl - null+
Eden - Town (obvtown)
TFB - Town (obvtown)
Worcej - town (despite the approach!)

I was going to restrict myself to 2 votes but have decided to policy vote anyone voting a Town (unless they are themesles Town)

Hence

##vote worcej
##vote Chaqa
##vote Glitterbomb

I have to return to the hospital (elderly mother) so won't be able to post much more. Will try and keep up and hope to be online for last half hour.

Content! Okay, so he "towns" them and "Towns" others. He later makes a distinction regarding the capital T versus t, so they're weak reads. Chaqa is the first to call BS on what he did and Damo gave us his "explanation"

Damo says he will policy vote anyone voting for a town, unless they themselves are a town.

He then votes for two people who are in fact town, in his eyes.

Therefore breaking the policy he set up like... two lines earier?

And also he's towned 7 people out of 9.

Worst logic ever. Town damo would never

not voting Town (as opposed to town)

Notice not a single real scum read? That's not normal imho.
Page 27: Important point he makes:

Distinguish between Town and town.
Will not vote a Town {Eden, TFB, me}.
Will vote any non-Town (including town) if they vote a Town.

Got it?

Think b4 you vote.

Interesting because he was asked to vote for "towns" and would vote for them if they vote for a "Town". God, what a weird way to communicate if he's town right?

Strawpoll: Is creating a tie on the 2nd-highest wagon to prevent a second daykill a PRO-town or ANTI-town move?

PRO

Hey look, at least he says only forcing one kill is pro here - so there may be some consistency? Except that it's not pro at all, but we've already went through that whole discussion.

Continuing in next post.

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

How does end votes work in this setup?

A majority of End votes on a candidate will result in an End.

[worcej]

Page 31: Game situation is this

Vote Count 1.11

FlaviusAetius (5) - Worcej, The FlyingBoat, PresidentEden, GlitterBomb, Lfischl
JustaGuyNamedWill (5) - Worcej, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius, President Eden, TheFlyingBoat
Damo666 (4) - TheFlyingBoat, Worcej, President Eden, Chaqa
Lfischl (4) - Worcej, President Eden, FlaviusAetius, Chaqa
PresidentEden (3) - Worcej, Chaqa, GlitterBomb
Worcej (3) - FlaviusAetius, JustaGuyNamedWill, Damo
GlitterBomb (2) - Chaqa, Damo
Chaqa (1) - Damo

Currently FLAVIUS and WILL are going home.

But it becomes complicated when Will does this:

Hmmm

##VOTE FLAV

##VOTE DAMO

##VOTE LFISCHL

Which makes the situation this (btw, I am manufacturing this VC because nothing official comes:

FlaviusAetius (6) - Worcej, The FlyingBoat, PresidentEden, GlitterBomb, Lfischl, Will
JustaGuyNamedWill (5) - Worcej, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius, President Eden, TheFlyingBoat
Damo666 (5) - TheFlyingBoat, Worcej, President Eden, Chaqa, Will
Lfischl (5) - Worcej, President Eden, FlaviusAetius, Chaqa, Will
[the rest don't matter]

And Damo even know's it:

Hmmm

##VOTE FLAV

##VOTE DAMO

##VOTE LFISCHL

Is that 6 - 5 - 5 -5?

Great? Some more spew on the situation then we get this:

Nah, someone will self preserve on me

Which you forced by making a massive tie at the second with your self preservation vote, which is anti-town (imho)

Damo - I would ideally like a 3-way kill here but at least want 2.

I promise you it wasn't a self pres vote. I made myself some rules and that's the way it went.

What rules did he make? The whole "vote for anyone who votes for "Towns"? Well funny enough... he doesn't stick with that anyways! lfichl never voted for a "Town"!
Anyways, 4 minutes left of phase:

I've made my decision.

Cool! What was the decision? Damo and the almighty are the only ones who know!

2 minutes left: Glitter is around and asking for feedback on what to do, she bows out to not screw it all up. TFB comes in and makes this happen:

##vote lfischl

I want 2

Setting the stage for 6-6-5-5 with Flav and lfischl going to be the ones set to die.

And then we get to Damo's last second vote, forcing the phase to be 7-6-6-5 and only one kill...

[worcej]

##call GM

How does end votes work in this setup?

A majority of End votes on a candidate will result in an End.

##Call GM

Clarification - can end votes be retracted?

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

How does end votes work in this setup?

A majority of End votes on a candidate will result in an End.

##Call GM

Clarification - can end votes be retracted?

Nope!

[worcej]

A majority of End votes on a candidate will result in an End.

##Call GM

Clarification - can end votes be retracted?

Nope!

Ha HA!

Now that's a way to fuck scum out of last second shenanigans.

[worcej]

##Call GM

I know this is me being stupidly nuanced, but I just want to be explicit.

The end votes need to be a majority on at least one wagon?

So if we have everyone put in end votes before anyone votes, the phase won't end until at least one player has a majority (more than 50% of active players) voting them?

[worcej]

Okay Worcej, enough spamming about Damo, what's the point?Well, to whomever is actually reading this - I conclude the following:

1. Damo had no scum reads and that's not normal for him as town.
2. The "Town" versus "town" thing was hedgy as hell and his rule about voting for anyone who votes for a "Town" wasn't actually executed correctly - aka he took an unexplained liberty.
3. Damo asked for opinion from TFB and Eden, got a response from TFB, and didn't execute upon said feedback.
4. Damo knew that the players in the game didn't want to have a single kill for the phase (after we discussed why) but he did at least say he thought that was pro (though he is wrong).
5. Damo is analytical enough to understand the problems a single-kill would result in.

So, would Town!Damo do this ultimately? I arrive at no way (woah what a shock?)

[Jamiet99uk]

##Call GM

I know this is me being stupidly nuanced, but I just want to be explicit.

The end votes need to be a majority on at least one wagon?

So if we have everyone put in end votes before anyone votes, the phase won't end until at least one player has a majority (more than 50% of active players) voting them?

Correct

[worcej]

So what was scum!Damo's intention there?
I think ultimately his partner is in Will and Flav and he felt desperate that he wouldn't be able to recover the game if his partner went down D1. This is a mini and a D1 death of a scum is ridiculously hard to recover from. Damo was one of a few who held the power to change the outcome of the phase and made the play to do so.

So who is damo's partner? The EOD exchanges makes me think it is Will honestly.

Important thing to understand is that the scum have not had a chance to privately talk and coordinate yet on D1. So then you start seeing this:

By voting Will and fish? I might. Opinions sought.

Please do

Why do you want to die?

Note: I fixed this quote because it's broken. It's on Page 32 if you want to double check my edit.

Anyways - I find it weird damo would publicly ask this of Will and then ultimately save him. It could be damo trying to gauge if he should bus Will now or not.

Then this comes:

Damo you hold all the power. Leave flav to die alone or kill me and fisch with him

Granted TFB made it a flav and fisch situation, but by preserving will and flav and together, we have a WIFOM situation while damo can try to navigate his way through wth he's about to do.

Then you can see an exchange to possibly confirm the bus:

Damo you hold all the power. Leave flav to die alone or kill me and fisch with him

What if I vote just you?

Damo you hold all the power. Leave flav to die alone or kill me and fisch with him

What if I vote just you?

Ok, sure.

But what makes this hard is Flav and Will's lack of content really since the day ended. It's kinda odd...

[worcej]

##Call GM

I know this is me being stupidly nuanced, but I just want to be explicit.

The end votes need to be a majority on at least one wagon?

So if we have everyone put in end votes before anyone votes, the phase won't end until at least one player has a majority (more than 50% of active players) voting them?

Correct

[worcej]

The real "scheme" to save the situation from scum controlling or influencing the votes is to have everyone lock in an ##end vote first!!!!

[worcej]

Anyways, I am feeling much better about salvaging the game if we go with the end vote strategy between my ~core~town~ (Eden, Chaqa, TFB) and flipping the three of Damo, Will, and Flav.

Using the basis of the game being at 5-2, these are the results I see:

• The 3 of them are all town. We all suck, Damo gets LVP for the game, and we enjoy reading the GT for how dumb we are.
• Damo is town, but one of Flav/Will is scum. Damo still gets LVP for the game, but it isn't game over.
• We get only Damo as scum, duh, but Flav/Will are town. Interesting... game on to KYLO on D3.
• We get both scum, GG - get rekt scumbros.

[worcej]

We can coordinate a designated time to be in the thread to place the votes during the day phase and place them all at an agreed upon time.

[worcej]

I look forward to non-damo thoughts on my "scheme".

[TheFlyingBoat]

Anyways, I am feeling much better about salvaging the game if we go with the end vote strategy between my ~core~town~ (Eden, Chaqa, TFB) and flipping the three of Damo, Will, and Flav.

Using the basis of the game being at 5-2, these are the results I see:

• The 3 of them are all town. We all suck, Damo gets LVP for the game, and we enjoy reading the GT for how dumb we are.
• Damo is town, but one of Flav/Will is scum. Damo still gets LVP for the game, but it isn't game over.
• We get only Damo as scum, duh, but Flav/Will are town. Interesting... game on to KYLO on D3.
• We get both scum, GG - get rekt scumbros.

Did the math and it checks out. I’m down.