M1027: Community - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

I constantly scumread Will, but they've only been Mafia once.

I think I've pegged Kak correctly more often than not?

Just has only played 2 games previously, and you were mafia in both, so I don't think you have had the opportunity to constantly scum reading him. Last game when I pointed out something like this you said you read players even when you are mafia, but it turned out you were mafia, so it looks like that was a fabricated explanation.

How many games have you played with Kakarroto?

Probably 4, idk.

That explanation was true. I don't care what you think, I am perfectly capable of scum reading players as any alignment.

Like last game I scumread Will and consequently voted him. If I didn't scumread him, I wouldn't have voted him. It's that simple.

Last game, you were scum. You KNEW who was on your scumteam. You knew whether or not Will was your team mate, the GM literally told you when the game began. So it was not a legitimate read.

This is basic shit.

[Jamiet99uk]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

You want everyone to provide a matrix of six answers, yes?

[damo666]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

You want everyone to provide a matrix of six answers, yes?

yes

[sweetandcool]

Just has only played 2 games previously, and you were mafia in both, so I don't think you have had the opportunity to constantly scum reading him. Last game when I pointed out something like this you said you read players even when you are mafia, but it turned out you were mafia, so it looks like that was a fabricated explanation.

How many games have you played with Kakarroto?

Probably 4, idk.

That explanation was true. I don't care what you think, I am perfectly capable of scum reading players as any alignment.

Like last game I scumread Will and consequently voted him. If I didn't scumread him, I wouldn't have voted him. It's that simple.

That explanation does not make much sense to me, you were mafia with Just last game, and you only bussed him at EOD.

We play differently, pal. You view it as bussing, I view it as something else entirely. Well, this has been a helpful discussion, thank you Bozo.

As far as the Ham goes, I've looked at the bot and am actually baffled by my read. The only thing that makes sense is I thought someone else's post was Ham's.

But two things do stand out which makes me think positively of Ham, just not as strongly as I indicated:

1. His reaction to me voting him was less combative than I would expect.

2. His opinion on the top wagons (Kak and Darg), echoed my feelings about the top wagons as well.

I am of the opinion that the top three wagons were town. I think scum was under no pressure D1.

[bozotheclown]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

a-i: X mafia
a-ii: X mafia
a-iii: X mafia
b-i: X town
b-ii: X town
b=iii: X town

[ghug]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

If the result is town, the scum stock of X and darg both go up. My existing read on X affects which I think is most likely, but both become more likely.

If the result is scum, it's a little iffier. It's much more likely to mean both are town, but I do scumread darg, so if I scumread X, I may start to tunnel.

[sweetandcool]

Just has only played 2 games previously, and you were mafia in both, so I don't think you have had the opportunity to constantly scum reading him. Last game when I pointed out something like this you said you read players even when you are mafia, but it turned out you were mafia, so it looks like that was a fabricated explanation.

How many games have you played with Kakarroto?

Probably 4, idk.

That explanation was true. I don't care what you think, I am perfectly capable of scum reading players as any alignment.

Like last game I scumread Will and consequently voted him. If I didn't scumread him, I wouldn't have voted him. It's that simple.

Last game, you were scum. You KNEW who was on your scumteam. You knew whether or not Will was your team mate, the GM literally told you when the game began. So it was not a legitimate read.

This is basic shit.

I'm sorry you are not capable of abstraction. I am.

At least you make awesome pies, so you can still feel good about yourself.

[sweetandcool]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

You want everyone to provide a matrix of six answers, yes?

yes

I'm not doing this.

Whatever the result, I intend to assume the investigation is incorrect. So if it reports back town, I assume we caught scum, regardless of the player.

[Jamiet99uk]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

You want everyone to provide a matrix of six answers, yes?

yes

1 - 6:
It depends whether I think the community consensus target was a goon or not.

[Jamiet99uk]

You want everyone to provide a matrix of six answers, yes?

yes

1 - 6:
It depends whether I think the community consensus target was a goon or not.

(In other words: My view on the accuracy of tonight's scan result is likely to have more to do with my view of Dargorygel, than my read on the Investigator's chosen scan target).

[bozotheclown]

Probably 4, idk.

That explanation was true. I don't care what you think, I am perfectly capable of scum reading players as any alignment.

Like last game I scumread Will and consequently voted him. If I didn't scumread him, I wouldn't have voted him. It's that simple.

That explanation does not make much sense to me, you were mafia with Just last game, and you only bussed him at EOD.

We play differently, pal. You view it as bussing, I view it as something else entirely. Well, this has been a helpful discussion, thank you Bozo.

As far as the Ham goes, I've looked at the bot and am actually baffled by my read. The only thing that makes sense is I thought someone else's post was Ham's.

But two things do stand out which makes me think positively of Ham, just not as strongly as I indicated:

1. His reaction to me voting him was less combative than I would expect.

2. His opinion on the top wagons (Kak and Darg), echoed my feelings about the top wagons as well.

I am of the opinion that the top three wagons were town. I think scum was under no pressure D1.

It may be accurate that we have different approaches, but I have not been able to independently confirm that you feel you can make meaningful reads on players when you know their alignments, because I have only seen you say it last game when you were mafia and this game where you very well could be.

Also, you voted for dargorygel over HB, so I don't see how HB's opinion on the dargorygel wagon was the same as yours.

[sweetandcool]

That explanation does not make much sense to me, you were mafia with Just last game, and you only bussed him at EOD.

We play differently, pal. You view it as bussing, I view it as something else entirely. Well, this has been a helpful discussion, thank you Bozo.

As far as the Ham goes, I've looked at the bot and am actually baffled by my read. The only thing that makes sense is I thought someone else's post was Ham's.

But two things do stand out which makes me think positively of Ham, just not as strongly as I indicated:

1. His reaction to me voting him was less combative than I would expect.

2. His opinion on the top wagons (Kak and Darg), echoed my feelings about the top wagons as well.

I am of the opinion that the top three wagons were town. I think scum was under no pressure D1.

It may be accurate that we have different approaches, but I have not been able to independently confirm that you feel you can make meaningful reads on players when you know their alignments, because I have only seen you say it last game when you were mafia and this game where you very well could be.

Also, you voted for dargorygel over HB, so I don't see how HB's opinion on the dargorygel wagon was the same as yours.

Yes, it would seem that way. I already explained my Darg vote. I'll reiterate briefly:

I thought Darg was Town, but of the three wagons that was the one I thought I would most likely be misreading. Consequently, it was the best vote, unless I wanted to throw out a vanity vote on a wagon I didn't believe in.

[bozotheclown]

top scum reads rn

1. Kak
2. Darg
3. Jamie

Kak and darg for opposing co-ordination. Jamie is just kinda going crazy

Of the 4 competitive wagons so far, I don't like 3 of them. I would say I see jamie, kak, and darg as primarily town for me.

This could be a strange coincidence, but I think it increases the chances that Monarch and HB are mafia teammates.

[damo666]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

a-i: X mafia
a-ii: X mafia
a-iii: X mafia
b-i: X town
b-ii: X town
b=iii: X town

This is, of course the correct answer.

X will be the opposite to that reported regardless of darg's alignment or read of X. We will gain no insight into darg's alignment.

[bozotheclown]

We play differently, pal. You view it as bussing, I view it as something else entirely. Well, this has been a helpful discussion, thank you Bozo.

As far as the Ham goes, I've looked at the bot and am actually baffled by my read. The only thing that makes sense is I thought someone else's post was Ham's.

But two things do stand out which makes me think positively of Ham, just not as strongly as I indicated:

1. His reaction to me voting him was less combative than I would expect.

2. His opinion on the top wagons (Kak and Darg), echoed my feelings about the top wagons as well.

I am of the opinion that the top three wagons were town. I think scum was under no pressure D1.

It may be accurate that we have different approaches, but I have not been able to independently confirm that you feel you can make meaningful reads on players when you know their alignments, because I have only seen you say it last game when you were mafia and this game where you very well could be.

Also, you voted for dargorygel over HB, so I don't see how HB's opinion on the dargorygel wagon was the same as yours.

Yes, it would seem that way. I already explained my Darg vote. I'll reiterate briefly:

I thought Darg was Town, but of the three wagons that was the one I thought I would most likely be misreading. Consequently, it was the best vote, unless I wanted to throw out a vanity vote on a wagon I didn't believe in.

OK, but it still seems your opinion of the dargorygel wagon was not the same as HB, who seemed confident dargorygel is town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

a-i: X mafia
a-ii: X mafia
a-iii: X mafia
b-i: X town
b-ii: X town
b=iii: X town

This is, of course the correct answer.

X will be the opposite to that reported regardless of darg's alignment or read of X. We will gain no insight into darg's alignment.

Ah, Bozo, the mechanical marvel, makes town proud once again.

[sweetandcool]

It may be accurate that we have different approaches, but I have not been able to independently confirm that you feel you can make meaningful reads on players when you know their alignments, because I have only seen you say it last game when you were mafia and this game where you very well could be.

Also, you voted for dargorygel over HB, so I don't see how HB's opinion on the dargorygel wagon was the same as yours.

Yes, it would seem that way. I already explained my Darg vote. I'll reiterate briefly:

I thought Darg was Town, but of the three wagons that was the one I thought I would most likely be misreading. Consequently, it was the best vote, unless I wanted to throw out a vanity vote on a wagon I didn't believe in.

OK, but it still seems your opinion of the dargorygel wagon was not the same as HB, who seemed confident dargorygel is town.

If you say so.

[sweetandcool]

Yes, it would seem that way. I already explained my Darg vote. I'll reiterate briefly:

I thought Darg was Town, but of the three wagons that was the one I thought I would most likely be misreading. Consequently, it was the best vote, unless I wanted to throw out a vanity vote on a wagon I didn't believe in.

OK, but it still seems your opinion of the dargorygel wagon was not the same as HB, who seemed confident dargorygel is town.

If you say so.

Fine, I retract my inaccurate statement that Ham and I were of the same opinion that Darg's wagon was bad.

Instead, I will claim that Ham's opinion on the Darg wagon resonated with me.

[sweetandcool]

Happy?

[bozotheclown]

Oy vey...

I am not going to move my vote to Darg or Kak.

HB had said how much he disliked the Kakarroto and dargorygel wagons, so stating at 3 minutes that he would not vote for them to save himself seems like it could be a mafia ploy.