MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

Quas, everything you've said is assuming Ezio is actually the alien. You think it's impossible for him to be town fakeclaiming?

Using Occam's razor, the more likely answer is that he is not town.

What does Town Ezio gain from his actions today, apart from access to the God Thread?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ezio is online but not posting.

Perhaps he is asking his scumbuds for advice.

[e.m.c^42]

Quas, everything you've said is assuming Ezio is actually the alien. You think it's impossible for him to be town fakeclaiming?

he hasn't retracted that claim, so I'm believing in it more and more--especially with how...laid-back he's been acting. Like he can't give another shit since there's no point lol

the only town benefit I could possibly see is to bait the assassin shot, I guess?

[e.m.c^42]

Ezio is online but not posting.

Perhaps he is asking his scumbuds for advice.

give him time to read xD

[Jamiet99uk]

Ezio is online but not posting.

Perhaps he is asking his scumbuds for advice.

give him time to read xD

He's gone offline again now.

[bo_sox48]

How have you "contributed" then exactly? What are these cases that you have built?

Cropping my question out of the quote does not mean I never asked it. Please answer my question.

I've built one meager case and I townread at least four people based on the brief bit of this thread that I've read, but none of that is worth explicating on at the moment.

if you have a case on someone, why aren't you DOING ANYTHING about it then

What a fine question. As I said, it is not worth explicating on at the moment. Day 1 is about info, not necessarily lynching the first of four scum in a row, and lynching Ezio does not give us info. My interest is preventing us from lynching someone who claimed mafia exclusively because they claimed mafia, and while thus far it appears that there are enough brave and vocal people to ensure that that does not happen, it's close enough that rather than putting forward my own admittedly meager case against someone without a wagon, I am simply lending my support to other wagons that actually provide us information.

If you said that that does not give us any tangible information about me, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately for whoever first thinks this, that's not my problem.

For what it's worth, someone taking the easy way out and voting for Ezio despite the fact that they should have actual scumreads based on their own observations is probably going to be the subject of my case.

so you want to leave the alien alive? an anti-town role, which does not benefit town from staying alive

Yes, I want to leave the alien claimant alive. Quote me later, preferably out of context for maximum impact.

I have zero reason to believe that he is lying. A somewhat common third party strategy is to claim early and play a game where neither town nor mafia can afford to kill you, survive into a 3-player endgame, and win. It's especially common among players who have no idea how to play their third party role, are a bit panicked when they see that they are the third party, and don't have the interest in the game to come up with a concrete plan to survive. That said, if town plays a reasonable game (or if town sucks and mafia spanks us), then he has sealed his death in stone anyway. It should occur at a later date when we have information. If it happened now, we have no valuable information that we get from late day vote shifting on day 2. In that instance, not only have we (intentionally) avoided scum on day 1 but also we have failed to maximize our chances at getting scum on day 2 and the days beyond. We only help mafia by killing him today.

I also agree with Qas, I was expecting Ezio to retract and if he doesn't retract I think lynching him now is the best choice (probably shooting him is even better).

Can you please answer my question?

[Vaporwave]

Quas, everything you've said is assuming Ezio is actually the alien. You think it's impossible for him to be town fakeclaiming?

he hasn't retracted that claim, so I'm believing in it more and more--especially with how...laid-back he's been acting. Like he can't give another shit since there's no point lol

the only town benefit I could possibly see is to bait the assassin shot, I guess?

the assassin is not dumb to kill the alien before EOD so that town can look for scum

[LordQuas]

Agree to disagree.

Someone tell me that darg doesn't feel off this game.

agree to agree on that one

[rdrivera2005]

Cropping my question out of the quote does not mean I never asked it. Please answer my question.

I've built one meager case and I townread at least four people based on the brief bit of this thread that I've read, but none of that is worth explicating on at the moment.

if you have a case on someone, why aren't you DOING ANYTHING about it then

What a fine question. As I said, it is not worth explicating on at the moment. Day 1 is about info, not necessarily lynching the first of four scum in a row, and lynching Ezio does not give us info. My interest is preventing us from lynching someone who claimed mafia exclusively because they claimed mafia, and while thus far it appears that there are enough brave and vocal people to ensure that that does not happen, it's close enough that rather than putting forward my own admittedly meager case against someone without a wagon, I am simply lending my support to other wagons that actually provide us information.

If you said that that does not give us any tangible information about me, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately for whoever first thinks this, that's not my problem.

For what it's worth, someone taking the easy way out and voting for Ezio despite the fact that they should have actual scumreads based on their own observations is probably going to be the subject of my case.

so you want to leave the alien alive? an anti-town role, which does not benefit town from staying alive

Yes, I want to leave the alien claimant alive. Quote me later, preferably out of context for maximum impact.

I have zero reason to believe that he is lying. A somewhat common third party strategy is to claim early and play a game where neither town nor mafia can afford to kill you, survive into a 3-player endgame, and win. It's especially common among players who have no idea how to play their third party role, are a bit panicked when they see that they are the third party, and don't have the interest in the game to come up with a concrete plan to survive. That said, if town plays a reasonable game (or if town sucks and mafia spanks us), then he has sealed his death in stone anyway. It should occur at a later date when we have information. If it happened now, we have no valuable information that we get from late day vote shifting on day 2. In that instance, not only have we (intentionally) avoided scum on day 1 but also we have failed to maximize our chances at getting scum on day 2 and the days beyond. We only help mafia by killing him today.

I also agree with Qas, I was expecting Ezio to retract and if he doesn't retract I think lynching him now is the best choice (probably shooting him is even better).

Can you please answer my question?

Which question or what page is it? Without the bot an on the phone is hard to find it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bo_Sox, Ezio is not claiming to be Mafia.

What a strange mistake on the part of Bo_Sox there.

[Squigs44]

You guys do realize we have a role whose sole power is to scan people to see if they are alien or not, right?

that's the equivalent of saying

"let's not lynch the dude hard claiming mafia the entire day because we have a cop who can scan him tonight"

There's a difference. Cop can scan all mafia, the alien cop only scans for aliens. Also, there's still a chance Ezio is town with his claim, while a town hard claiming mafia is much worse play.

I'm fine with Ezio dying today, he's going to be lynched at some point, so a day one lynch when we have less info is fine. I just don't want everyone piling on him and making day one easy for scum to blend.

[bo_sox48]

I also agree with Qas, I was expecting Ezio to retract and if he doesn't retract I think lynching him now is the best choice (probably shooting him is even better).

Actually, don't answer my old question.

Ezio made clear on page 31 that he is not retracting his claim. You reiterated on page 33 that you think he should be the lynch today. I made a concrete and clear case as to why he shouldn't be, to which you never replied. You are now saying that you were expecting him to retract when you already knew that he wouldn't because he made that painfully clear.

So, given that he isn't retracting, why is lynching him now as opposed to later the best choice?

[RagingIke297]

##call GM What's the vote count?

What's happening?

[bo_sox48]

Bo_Sox, Ezio is not claiming to be Mafia.

What a strange mistake on the part of Bo_Sox there.

I never claimed he was claiming to be mafia. He is clearly claiming third party, which is what I said.

Guys I'm not withdrawing my Alien claim. I'm pretty sure this is my best way to win this game. I'mma do my best do help y'all out and if scum look like they're gonna win maybe you guys can throw to me eh?

[LordQuas]

Quas, everything you've said is assuming Ezio is actually the alien. You think it's impossible for him to be town fakeclaiming?

have you ever fake claimed as town before?

The reason I ignored him for the first irl day was because I thought that was a possibility and he might just be reaction testing, I fake claimed SK as town on this site before, I know what fake claiming is

but at the same time, if he's town fake claiming at this point in the game then no, he's literally game throwing, there's no point in him doing it. 1. What's the advantage of hard claiming alien all the way until you get lynched

2. he's not even really playing or contributing anything so it isn't just reaction baiting

3. if he's town he's actually game throwing, it's his fault, move on

I think he legit believed alien was a neutral/pro-town role and didn't understand what he was doing and is now committed, OR was trying to wifom out a survival

[bo_sox48]

Oh, I see.

"My interest is preventing us from lynching someone who claimed mafia exclusively because they claimed mafia"

That should read alien, not mafia. The context of the rest of my post should make that pretty obvious.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bo_Sox, Ezio is not claiming to be Mafia.

What a strange mistake on the part of Bo_Sox there.

I never claimed he was claiming to be mafia. He is clearly claiming third party, which is what I said.

Guys I'm not withdrawing my Alien claim. I'm pretty sure this is my best way to win this game. I'mma do my best do help y'all out and if scum look like they're gonna win maybe you guys can throw to me eh?

Here is what you said:

Day 1 is about info, not necessarily lynching the first of four scum in a row, and lynching Ezio does not give us info. My interest is preventing us from lynching someone who claimed mafia exclusively because they claimed mafia, and while thus far it appears that there are enough brave and vocal people to ensure that that does not happen, it's close enough that rather than putting forward my own admittedly meager case against someone without a wagon, I am simply lending my support to other wagons that actually provide us information.

[bo_sox48]

Quit crossposting me, it's annoying.

[LordQuas]

You guys do realize we have a role whose sole power is to scan people to see if they are alien or not, right?

that's the equivalent of saying

"let's not lynch the dude hard claiming mafia the entire day because we have a cop who can scan him tonight"

There's a difference. Cop can scan all mafia, the alien cop only scans for aliens. Also, there's still a chance Ezio is town with his claim, while a town hard claiming mafia is much worse play.

I'm fine with Ezio dying today, he's going to be lynched at some point, so a day one lynch when we have less info is fine. I just don't want everyone piling on him and making day one easy for scum to blend.

yeah ok maybe that wasn't the best analogy I got worked up

but yeah here's the thing, even with lynching Ezio we have PLENTY of info today

there's going to be a NK (and if there isn't then we have a conf town)

we have almost an entire day of wagonomics to analyze, we only started this Ezio wagon close to EoD (which is in like 30 minutes, I'm all for supporting off wagons for info but with 30 minutes until EoD that feels extreme)

[Jamiet99uk]

Quit crossposting me, it's annoying.

Is this sarcasm?