M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[bozotheclown]

Work will be busy tomorrow.

Bunny and Bo (Jamiet) were early scumreads, but they're active enough I don't think they're worth daykilling day 1.

##Vote Hamilton Brian

Here Fluminator pointed out his early scum reads of BunnyGo and bo_sox for no other reason than to explain why he was voting for Hamilton instead of them, which could be him covering himself for later. He did try to refer to this post to answer a different question than I was asking.

##Vote Teacon

(still willing to policy kill ND though)

Here Fluminator voted for teacon, who had no votes, less than 3 hours before EOD, despite there being six wagons with 2 or more votes. He also left himself the option of moving back to ND. The easily could have been a bus.

I think the main votes are between Maniac, ND, and Teacon. People should start compiling onto one of them

This was odd because teacon was tied for third with a number of other wagons.

Vecna, what were the posts that had you townreading teacon?

Here Fluminator drew attention to Vecna town reading teacon when teacon had become the lead wagon, possibly giving Vecna a chance to convince him (or others) not to vote for teacon.

I'm staying on Teacon at this point.

With teacon and ND tied 4 minutes before EOD, Fluminator announced his intention, possibly a message intended for the other scum.

It kind of felt like scum didn't care which wagon died.

@Teacon, if you're town you have the most info out of anyone. I look forward to your analysis.

Shortly after D1 EOD, Fluminator indicated he thought EOD made teacon look town without giving any specific reason as to why. Maybe Fluminator was trying to dissuade the Vig from targeting teacon.

[ghug]

auto correct and ke are not friends

Damn bro you really drunk

[ghug]

Work will be busy tomorrow.

Bunny and Bo (Jamiet) were early scumreads, but they're active enough I don't think they're worth daykilling day 1.

##Vote Hamilton Brian

Here Fluminator pointed out his early scum reads of BunnyGo and bo_sox for no other reason than to explain why he was voting for Hamilton instead of them, which could be him covering himself for later. He did try to refer to this post to answer a different question than I was asking.

##Vote Teacon

(still willing to policy kill ND though)

Here Fluminator voted for teacon, who had no votes, less than 3 hours before EOD, despite there being six wagons with 2 or more votes. He also left himself the option of moving back to ND. The easily could have been a bus.

I think the main votes are between Maniac, ND, and Teacon. People should start compiling onto one of them

This was odd because teacon was tied for third with a number of other wagons.

Vecna, what were the posts that had you townreading teacon?

Here Fluminator drew attention to Vecna town reading teacon when teacon had become the lead wagon, possibly giving Vecna a chance to convince him (or others) not to vote for teacon.

I'm staying on Teacon at this point.

With teacon and ND tied 4 minutes before EOD, Fluminator announced his intention, possibly a message intended for the other scum.

It kind of felt like scum didn't care which wagon died.

@Teacon, if you're town you have the most info out of anyone. I look forward to your analysis.

Shortly after D1 EOD, Fluminator indicated he thought EOD made teacon look town without giving any specific reason as to why. Maybe Fluminator was trying to dissuade the Vig from targeting teacon.

This makes me townread Flum I think.

[bozotheclown]

The kgray wagon is bad and not a good wagon.

##Vote Hamilton

On a reread of his iso I can't figure out why my scumread was temporarily lessened.
Normally I'd feel perterbed that this wagon has just been a consistent force all day without much else happening, but I felt there was a similar apathy d1 with the crazy amount of wagons near the end.

Yoyo please actually play the game you signed up for.

D2, Fluminator reestablished a scum read of Hamilton at a time Hamilton and kgray and become the lead wagons.

Brian, can you copy paste some of the stuff you have in your notebook you were talking about earlier in the game?

Brian, can you copy paste some of the stuff you have in your notebook you were talking about earlier in the game?

Seriously?

Yeah? If you do I'll jump to brain probably.

Fluminator was pushing hard for a Hamilton DK, but started backing off when brainbomb became the second wagon.

I don't know how I feel about everyone pretending to be soooo confident brain is scum right now.
Maybe I'll move back to HB.....

I can't switch rn because it will tie

This might be town vs. town after all.

After Hamilton and brainbomb were his top scum reads most of the day, Fluminator correctly predicts it is town vs. town when the DK is sure to be brainbomb or Hamilton.

Fluminator appeared to be protecting kgray, but scum reading her counter wagons instead of just saying he thought kgray was town is suspicious, as is backing off on his scum reads as one is about to flip town.

[bozotheclown]

On phone with a bit of time.

There’s some horrific posts from Fluminator at EoD, someone might be able to quote them but there’s one where he says he won’t switch cause it’ll tie it then goes on to say it’s TvT

Very scummy

Ok brain is officially a scumread now too.

Every other post from him today is him talking about how he tried to save teacon and it almost sounds jubilant and smug with how much he brings it up along with the excitement behind it.
It really feels he's going into his "I'm so crazy and whacky" meta to cover his tracks to get away with it and loving every minute it's working.
I feel like town brain would not be like this.

Brain, Brian, probably one of ghug/Vecna/Balki, probably a couple out of the pool of lurkers/new players/Maniac.
I'd put damo in there too but I'll trust HR's read on him for now and there's an abundance of scummy behaviour this game to go around.

Bunny is still kind of scummy too lol.

Evidence of him saying it was S/S

What changed your mind?

I heavily scumread HB until he obvtowned.

Then why post you “wouldn’t switch cause it would tie”

Shouldn’t it more have been
“HB on Townes and I scumread Brain?”

It comes with experience. Sometimes you get a strong gut feeling when a wagon a few minutes before eod is going to be a miskill.

N2, Nephthys pushed Fluminator on his D2 EOD read changes, and Fluminator was forced to answer with a vague response that did not answer the specific question Nephthys asked as to why Fluminator said he would not switch back because it would cause a tie instead of saying he would not switch his vote because Hamilton had become obviously town.

Then Nephthys was NKed.

##VOTE Fluminator

[bozotheclown]

1: it was a discussion point because I wanted to see if people would pick up on it and see who they would mention. I think its quite obvious who my main candidate is for the shading with his point.

2: So you think scum would base their NK choice on a comment made by brainbomb? Without discussing it internally and finding their own reasoning? Also, no comment like that was made on Rdrivera, which was undoubtedly killed for similar reasoning.

And the people that are still in this game it applies to besides Bozo are -maybe- Damo and HR. From reading the scum QT lats game, I dont think Damo was involved in PR hunting too much? Ill leave that to you. From what I remember, I dont think Ghug actively hunts for PR's. I would obviously do it, but wouldve known better than to suspect Rdrivera of being a PR. Im not sure if Flum is meta-aware enough on Neph

No I absolutely don't think they decided on the NK based on what brain said without discussing it, but that doesn't mean they didn't consider what he said. My point was that there was talk of Neph being a PR, so them having someone familiar enough with Neph's play to spot those differences isn't necessarily guaranteed.

I'm not sure what Rivera has to do with this. He's been killed first pretty often so it's definitely not undoubtable that he was killed for being suspected of being a PR.

And it's still not obvious to me who you were implying you thought caught Neph as a PR - bozo? You say it could be damo, but you don't think he hunts PRs. It could be HR, but then you didn't follow up on whether you think it was him or not. And you don't think it's ghug or Flum...

Basically I just don't know where you're going with this, but it doesn't seem like scumhunting to me.

Great discussion point!

As a matter of fact it was me that suspected Neph was the Parity Cop. The things which caused me to think this were: First of all the way he was keeping quite a low profile; Secondly the way he really didn't engage at all with Brainbomb calling out how he thought Neph was a PR (aw, Brainbomb, never change); Thirdly, the way he suddenly declared he town-read Maniac "for no reason" during N2, after Maniac had been getting a lot of suspicion. This last point made me suspect Neph was going to include Maniac in his N2 scan.

I'm not actually as terrible at this game as some of you like to think.

This could be Jamie covering for the real reason that Nephthys was NKed, because his suspicion of Fluminator was accurate.

[bozotheclown]

It comes with experience. Sometimes you get a strong gut feeling when a wagon a few minutes before eod is going to be a miskill.

Yea nah, don’t buy it sorry

On phone with a bit of time.

There’s some horrific posts from Fluminator at EoD, someone might be able to quote them but there’s one where he says he won’t switch cause it’ll tie it then goes on to say it’s TvT

Very scummy

At least he was voting for one of them

I feel like this is meant to throw shade...
You do realise I was voting HB right?

Maybe Nephthys was on to Fluminator and kgray.

[bozotheclown]

Unless you're asking why I'm only asking Jamiet Yoyo.
Jamiet was getting irritated at Yoyo saying he needs to die. I would expect Jamiet to be getting angrier as Yoyo has only basically become even more of a tool since last time.
Which makes me think the anger was fake, and it was the only reason I had him as null instead of scum.

No that's not what I was asking, but it makes sense. What other reasons do you have to scumread Jamie?

drunk bo sox is incredibly awkward as scum, and he was super awkward this game too before he suddenly replaced out.

I used to read Jamiet based on how emotional he got during the game because he gets heated as town while remaining very chill and out of the action as scum. Last game I realized Jamiet is able to keep the emotion in as town now too so now it's more just a way to townread him instead of scumread him, but he hasn't done it yet so I don't have my easy townread.

But he still became really clearly town by the end of last game based on how he reacted to things and was very engaged with the game even with his post limit. He is really hanging back this game. He's covering it with a lot of humour (and I've underestimated how funny Jamiet can be) but almost think he's relying on it as a crutch right now.

His posting limit starting up again for no reason day 2 when it wasn't there day 1 is really weird too when nothing happened that should trigger it, other than to give him an excuse to disengage even further.

Now he's not angry at Yoyo.

Jamiet is pretty sus

Fluminator and kgray working together to bus Jamie?

[bozotheclown]

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

Bus Jamie, bus BunnyGo, discredit Nephthys right before he gets killed?

[bozotheclown]

Kgray, why do you think bozo is town?

Well a lot of it is teacon following his vote, which is admittedly less compelling now that Jamie is scum. And he's doing normal, bozo things. But his survey last night could just be him imitating his town meta and giving himself something to do.

I was thinking that the way he went after me and Balki more than others after teacon's flip was towny because when he was scum before he focused on newer players. But I just looked back and realized he hardly mentioned or interacted with Hamilton or brain at all, and I think town!bozo would have dug into all of the "suspicious" D1 votes.

Really there have been a few things that I'd have expected town!bozo to focus on more, like celaph calling brain BB. And it still bothers me how he wrote off Jamie as tunneling him for ignoring teacon's vote while shading damo and Vecna for the same reason.

And I don't think he's gone back to do any VCA after Bunny and Jamie were outed... He said this after Jamie was caught:

On D1, teacon was leading 5-3 when Jamie voted for ND to make it 5-4, so there was an effort to save teacon. The 3 votes for ND after Jamie were from brainbomb, kgray, and Hamilton. This could have been all town, but it renews my suspicion of kgray's vote, since she moved her vote off of teacon after Jamie voted for ND.

But now he's saying he doesn't scumread me anymore because there's new info. So Bunny flipping is the only new info and he hasn't explained why that makes him think I'm town. Maybe it's just because I don't look like a miskill anymore.

And I think I've just talked myself out of my bozo townread...

Fluminator/kgray scum theater?

[Vecna]

is gasmosis a word? i think not!

[Vecna]

storytime

[Vecna]

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

Bus Jamie, bus BunnyGo, discredit Nephthys right before he gets killed?

so original. i have punctuation

[ghug]

storytime

I'm waiting

[bozotheclown]

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

Bus Jamie, bus BunnyGo, discredit Nephthys right before he gets killed?

so original. i have punctuation

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

Despite my parity cop comment, you talking about the guy that just ended up dead and giving him special attention of all people for some reason does sound scummy to me

That was before Jamie and BunnyGo were confirmed scum.

[bozotheclown]

I was already honed in on that flum post when he called out the guy that was about to die as one of three, but now that the other 2 just happen to be scum.....

In fact, its part of a series of things that certain players as scum love to do to appear witty.

-Calling out the guy thats about to flip as a scumread
-Saying theyd do something as scum when someone is very certain that behaviour makes them town (the google doc from HB).
-Use "secret tells" to justify a bunch of reads and refuse to out them when asked

[bozotheclown]

I feel like I've liked most of what flum has posted. He's so much less jokey than he was as 3p at least. I can't remember what he was like those two days he was scum before we had to reroll but I feel like he puts in less effort to solve if he was scum.

Wouldn't Flum's 3p game be closer to his town game than his scum game? And you think Flum has put in a lot of effort to solve?

FWIW, my scum game is very similar to the game I'm playing right now

This may be Fluminator taunting us.

[bozotheclown]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Durga
Tom
emc
aarodactyl
HR
ghug
kgray
Maniac
Vecna
Fluminator
celaph
Balki
Yoyoyozo
Chaqa
Bonatogether
damo
Jamie

Why am I so high on your list? What happened to you thinking I saved teacon D1?

This could be a scum strategy, like a reverse pocket, indicating she find it suspicious I was town reading her more than I did D2.

[bozotheclown]

I propose we daykill out of this group:
Bonatogether
celaph
aarodactyl

They're knew and I feel like we should run them through the ringer on their first game to give them a jolly welcome.

If Fluminator is scum, one of these 3 are probably scum also.

##vote Flum

this is a straight meme vote, i have no read on him.

This was Bonatogether's only vote D1.

[bozotheclown]

Coming back right after EoD is an odd look.

I've been doing things with family for the whole day - I have 50 pages to read.

O_O

That was a hell of a wagon.

where were you during all of it? It seems strange to me that you sat on unvote the entire day only to show up shortly after EOD

I was on a walk since I thought EoD was in an hour. I got back right before EoD (I had a post quoting bb a while back), but I was trying to read everything. I should have just voted HB.

where were you during all of it? It seems strange to me that you sat on unvote the entire day only to show up shortly after EOD

He did the same thing D1 too.

Yeah, I was on a walk then too.

I think aarodactyl already pointed out the discrepancy about D1.