M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Ezio]

Fine. If sweet isn’t happening then ##vote TheMad

We have 23 hours.

I’m voting one or the other. And there’s vehement opposition to sweet.

Not going to miskill and have TheMad around and KiLo. Ain’t worth it.

Kill scum!sweet or dangerous!Monarch.

And nobody is arguing against Monarch. So I’ll stick my vote here while I go to a little league game for a bit

Oh I also thought it was somewhat surprising that Monarch chose to use one of her *very few* posts to defend Will. I'm not convinced Monarch is even a neutral
slot anymore.

[foodcoats]

I also wanna take this time to vent: this was a 26 player game with 6 scum. Despite a vig shot hitting a scum, and us ending an EoD with a scum leading: we're 1 day away from MYLO.

This feels way too fast.

I think daychat is a major advantage, as it reduces the value of VCA and reduces the chance scum make mistakes. They are already the informed minority and this gives them additional manipulative power.

[dargorygel]

VOTEY COUNTY
70 Minutes In

JustAGuyNamedWill (2) worcej, Ezio
President Eden (2) sweetandcool, JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (1) President Eden
TheMadMonarch (2) BunnyGo

[BunnyGo]

I also wanna take this time to vent: this was a 26 player game with 6 scum. Despite a vig shot hitting a scum, and us ending an EoD with a scum leading: we're 1 day away from MYLO.

This feels way too fast.

I think daychat is a major advantage, as it reduces the value of VCA and reduces the chance scum make mistakes. They are already the informed minority and this gives them additional manipulative power.

This.

That’s the most painful.

[worcej]

##vote justanotherguynamedwill

Also wrong.

How is voting will wrong?

[Ezio]

I also wanna take this time to vent: this was a 26 player game with 6 scum. Despite a vig shot hitting a scum, and us ending an EoD with a scum leading: we're 1 day away from MYLO.

This feels way too fast.

I think daychat is a major advantage, as it reduces the value of VCA and reduces the chance scum make mistakes. They are already the informed minority and this gives them additional manipulative power.

I disagree about VCA. I think VCA remains our most powerful tool, it just requires us to be able to catch a scum, ever.

From what it looks like, the only day we've ever ended with scum at the top was when Dip used his power to force it, and then both people died that day *and* mafia probably knew about it.

[sweetandcool]

We have one miskill right? I still think we someone that will give the most info if we are gonna risk that and will/MM don’t do that. Sweet would but I think that the scum are trying to line them up to be the final miskill. I think Eden or ezio (whichever one sweet meant to scumread) would be best vote based on other people’s thoughts this game

Why are you so complacent to not care whether we vote Eden or Ezio?

Particularly, why do you scumread Ezio?

[sweetandcool]

I guess we know MM has voteparked on 5 town in a row. So… maybe there’s some mathematical reason to kill her.

But now I’m just tilted and tunnelled.

I think you’re tilted and tunneled. But I also think I don’t want to be a kilo with her around. It’s bad for town if she’s town and bad for town if she’s scum.

That said…


##vote sweet

Bunny, please show evidence you are actually trying to solve the game. Because it hasn't seemed that way for quite while.

Like at least respond and explain why my cases are shit. And please provide not just a case for why I am scum, but also at least some cases for who is Town and hopefully cases for who else is scum.

Why aren't you considering who my teammates are when I flip? We are possibly on our last day and we need to get it right. There is no excuse for lazily hunting for one flip, when we need to if not completely solve the game, at least the a step or two ahead of today's flip with our thinking.

Getting massive M80 scumbunny vibes here. He happily dismisses cases in a word or two without providing his own.

[sweetandcool]

No we still have another miskill left

Not if Mafia has a power to fuck us. Just assume we have no MK.

Valid point

##VOTE EDEN

I appreciate this but you really need to contribute. Screw your other games for a day and FOCUS.

[sweetandcool]

Food is still probably scum. Genuinely, if he is claiming PR the chance he is mafia is way higher then him being town.

I hate to rope statistics into this but thats what i think as well

Would be more than happy to kill food

The situation is:

Food's power really doesn't threaten Mafia. And PRs aren't alignment indictive. So Mafia can keep them around as long as they want as a WIFOM.

Food for several phases has putting out the type of solving energy Town needs. They come across as actually trying amidst a Towncore that has been largely absent and apathetic.

On top of this, we simply can't afford to tinfoil on him anymore. He must be Town for us to win.

[sweetandcool]

I will towncase sweet later but please do not kill him

This cannot be right.

It cannot be right to let sweet stay in the game when he’s playing like this.

This isn't a solve. If you are Town you are risking flushing the game down the drain by refusing to engage with the game and solve it. This is why y'all DKed Dip. I can't believe a group of veteran players really struggle this hard at basic analysis.

We've essentially been killing "dead weight" all game. Yes, we're suddenly going to solve the game now, it has really been working out.

[Ezio]

Food is still probably scum. Genuinely, if he is claiming PR the chance he is mafia is way higher then him being town.

I hate to rope statistics into this but thats what i think as well

Would be more than happy to kill food

The situation is:

Food's power really doesn't threaten Mafia. And PRs aren't alignment indictive. So Mafia can keep them around as long as they want as a WIFOM.

Food for several phases has putting out the type of solving energy Town needs. They come across as actually trying amidst a Towncore that has been largely absent and apathetic.

On top of this, we simply can't afford to tinfoil on him anymore. He must be Town for us to win.

And thankfully, if he isn't, that will come out at some point.

[Col7by]

We have one miskill right? I still think we someone that will give the most info if we are gonna risk that and will/MM don’t do that. Sweet would but I think that the scum are trying to line them up to be the final miskill. I think Eden or ezio (whichever one sweet meant to scumread) would be best vote based on other people’s thoughts this game

Can you explain why you scumread Eden and Ezio?

I don’t I think that I want to trust sweets read on this one that’s why

[sweetandcool]

Well, assuming there are 3 mafia prs left and 2 town left, it is statistically likely that food is scum if he is being truthful about his chats with the dead

Food is 100% Knowledge role, I already verified it.

He is also Town, but yes technically he could be Mafia instead.

[sweetandcool]

Will, please explain why you scumread Eden.

I do not necessarily scumread eden but my goodness is sweet a bad flip, rather eden then sweet, and sweet is already voting eden

Plus they were a large proponent in ‘will scumslipped he pulled up a meme’ which may have been just trying to set up one of the final miskill

Monarch before Eden…can you imagine being in KiLo, she disappears and we either have to vote whatever her last vote was or lose? Ugh.

That said…sweet is scum.

I’m either voting sweet to stay away from KiLo or voting TheMad to protect while in KiLo.

And your defense of sweet is insane. Make the case or stop posting this sh**.

Nice, so you are a proponent of policy killing today, rather than solving. Good to know.

[sweetandcool]

Oh, I forgot Vecna. You are right, I am statistically more likely to be scum.

In a similar vein, Will… do you believe the battlemaster is mafia or town?

probbaly mafia atp

In that case, how statistically likely do you think it is the scum would use the BM power on D2, and Eden/lfischl is scum? Please look at the wagons that day.

What do you think of my case regarding the duel?

Unfortunately, I am not nearly able to participate the way I want.

But I spent a ton of time solving. But it also takes a ton of time writing a good case, which I wish I could have written better.

[sweetandcool]

Pre duel updated VCA

DiplomacyandWarfare (6) DemonRHK*, worcej, Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk, Yoyoyozo, lfischl
Jamiet99uk (2) Fluminator, Ezio
ghug (3) FlaviusAetius, Dousing, JustAGuyNamedWill
lfischl (3) Col7by, Vecna, aarodactyl
damo666 (1) TheMadMonarch
FlaviusAetius (1) bonatogether
Dousing (2) Balki Bartokomous, ghug
Ezio (1) foodcoats
sweetandcool (1) BunnyGo
Balki (3) Squigs44, DiplomacyandWarfare, sweetandcool

Convenient that lfischl has two players we haven't flipped yet. I bet anything they were intending to move to ghug or the next best counter wagon to lfischl.

[sweetandcool]

Fine. If sweet isn’t happening then ##vote TheMad

We have 23 hours.

I’m voting one or the other. And there’s vehement opposition to sweet.

Not going to miskill and have TheMad around and KiLo. Ain’t worth it.

Kill scum!sweet or dangerous!Monarch.

And nobody is arguing against Monarch. So I’ll stick my vote here while I go to a little league game for a bit

Monarch's defense of Town Will during N5 makes it fairly likely they are Town as well.

[sweetandcool]

We have one miskill right? I still think we someone that will give the most info if we are gonna risk that and will/MM don’t do that. Sweet would but I think that the scum are trying to line them up to be the final miskill. I think Eden or ezio (whichever one sweet meant to scumread) would be best vote based on other people’s thoughts this game

Can you explain why you scumread Eden and Ezio?

I don’t I think that I want to trust sweets read on this one that’s why

My read is that Eden is Mafia. So you don't want to trust me, but you are also agreeing with me.

And you are refusing to give us real reasoning????

Do you just not care to try to play this game? Do you expect to win for Town by acting this lazy and complacent?

[sweetandcool]

cringe

sweet, you say you’re here for EOD, you have five minutes from this post to explain yourself

Putting more pressure on the MK.