M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

final statement on the matter:

damo was no longer townreading pyxxy and was then killed and janitored as soon as damo moved pyxxy into scumreads

Good work, Brainbomb P.I.

We should consider flipping pxxxy after we dispose of Fluminaghug.

This is where I am at - I wanted to flip Ghunator over Blamp.

[pyxxy]

also pyxxy, the only person who says you townslipped is damo. he said you were town for the flipper thing.

in answer to your question no I dont think you tried to townslip to me specifically I think you made a comment N1 about not knowing what the flipper was compared to the term flipped town. And I am saying your question there is demonstrably false, you were there in the thread on p41 well before you are claiming an explanation was given.

Im saying you gave a +1 to a gm clarifying statement on the flipper
so you had to have read the post.

so im saying you lied N1 when you said you didnt know what the difference was.

Thank you for responding to me.

I just explained my thought progression. Eden's posts -> my followup question like ~90 minutes later. It's pretty clear why I asked my question? I don't understand why you think I'm lying in both that N1 post and now lying again in my explanation.

Also, you're proving my point. You've moved the goalposts from "I'm reading into your +1s" to "you were lying on N1 and I never noticed it until now".

[pyxxy]

final statement on the matter:

damo was no longer townreading pyxxy and was then killed and janitored as soon as damo moved pyxxy into scumreads

So you're insinuating that the whole scum team has been trying to deep scum me since like D1? Because damo was the only person who scum read me?

scumteam:
celaph (daid)
ghuginator (caught fairly certainly)
maniac (scanned)

town:
jamie
eden
chaqa
brainbomb
tfb

POE: scummiest to towniest (italicized area is all pretty similar, could reorder that in basically any order but whatever)
pyxxy
blamp
maccej
damo
bozo
rdr
sabi
demon

^Except you literally just quoted bona scum reading me?

Make it make sense, brain.

This is you D1. Does this not count as a scum read because you didn't say the words "scum read"?

people id eliminate
sabi
pyxxy
business lamp
all the other non posters

You scumread me explicitly N1:

Revising my scumreads….
Sabi
Blamp
ghug
Jamiet99uk
pyxxy
worcej

D2:

so id vote ghug or pyxxy here instead of celaph.

Me. Over Celaph. After everything that happened D1. After Celaph made zero N1 posts.

Damo literally responding to you on D2:

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

NO
NO
maybe
tfb if the case

I'll end with this damo post from D2 -06:21:

This may or may not be significant. Get off me and vote TFB. If he flips scum then we can analyse Pyxxy, if TFB flips town (doubt he will unless he's flipper) we can put it on the back burner.

That's damo's last post with my name in it:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=D1-&g=73

besides when he replies to your scumread list, brain, which had me in it.

Did you forgot that Damo said this? Why wouldn't you quote this now?

How could you forget Damo said this when you've been scum reading from D1?

I thought it was only from D2 onwards (see: my frustration last night), but now that I'm going back in time, thanks to you, I can see that it's literally been from the very beginning.

So why are you still alive?

You were much, much more outspoken than Damo about scum reading me and have done so since D1. How come Damo got the axe instead of you?

Also, where's Demon? Where's Flum? Where's RDR?

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=73
8 2 39 195 19.50 Fluminator 12:20
9 2 31 168 15.50 rdrivera2005 09:02
11 1 53 227 53.00 DemonRHK 08:27

^None of them have posted in over 8 hours. Yeah they're all lurkers, but I think this is still really really long for all of them.

They're letting you tunnel me, brain. They're letting you convince the rest of town into miskilling me.
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sorry tl;dr for people besides brain

Brain says that damo died after scum reading me but
1. damo literally didn't scum read me, and

2. damo said if TFB is scum, then sus pyxxy, but brain never brought it up despite it being an amazing read to scumread me after TFB dies N3, and

3. brain has been scum reading me from D1 and is still alive, so why is damo's NK so damning for me?

4. the lurkers need to respond to brain's case too, about if they agree or disagree or are unsure. Town thrives on discussion, not silence

[pyxxy]

@everyone, this is a short post, I swear.

If you read only one of my posts from today (N5), please read this one.

so id vote ghug or pyxxy here instead of celaph.

Actually, the more I think about it, this is super weird, brain. Especially for D2.

##vote celaph

##end

*semi-frown*

It gets weirder, brain. Damo votes Celaph + end on D2. You disapprove but later you say it's because you dislike the end vote.

TFB more or less has convinced me that the snowy kill was intended to set them up as a miskill. and therefore celaph is back to being our best idea

TFB convinced you to finally vote for Celaph? Not the actual townfolk? You were giving town cred to TFB here? And trying to push the idea that snowy's death was setting up TFB for a miskill?

^This is the exact same level of evidence + suspicion that you're giving towards me.

Honestly I actually think I'm making a way better case against both myself and you in this post. I'll keep going!

Then Damo dies N2...after scumreading me + TFB

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

NO
NO
maybe
tfb if the case

This may or may not be significant. Get off me and vote TFB. If he flips scum then we can analyse Pyxxy, if TFB flips town (doubt he will unless he's flipper) we can put it on the back burner.

And yet you never bring any of this up?

You've had an open and shut case to scum read me since like D3, after damo dies, and yet here I am doing all the work for you.

Why didn't you look at any of this instead of pushing your +1 theory?

This is way, way harder evidence for calling me scum. Yet you completely missed it? Even though you've been back on D1, N1, D2, N2 analyzing everything that I +1'd?

If you're going to try to get me miskilled, brain, at least do some real investigative work.

(@everyone, would love your thoughts on this post)

[rdrivera2005]

Not sure
im really just concerned with an endgame with less variables

so if you have these subgroups

day 1 celaph savers: pyxxy

day 1 eod inactives: flum-worc-rivera

day 1 bussers: chaqa, bona, rhk, myself

I think its best to have only two subgroups to be worried about since deciding between bussers and inactives is gonna be enough of a shit show as it is the last thing we want is any outstanding kak voters who may have saved cel

Why are you ignoring Jamiet?

I could be a "D1 Celaph saver" but unfortunately I was just wrong.

Do you scumread me, Rdrivera?

No, but he wants to eliminate pixxy on the basis he was the only Kak voter not sorted, but you are still alive. Unless he is counting you will be dead tonight this doesn't make sense.

[rdrivera2005]

@pyxxy - We are at night phase, a night phase that could be specially long because some tools hammered Lamp (by the way, I sent the message to hammer the night, a lot better then hammering the day). And the 8/9 hours I was away is exactly my working hours. You know people need to work for a living, don't you?

About Brain's case I already said I didn't like it and that it's inconsistent. I think both of you are town. But why I would intervene and try to shut up this conversation? It doesn't make sense.

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy - We are at night phase, a night phase that could be specially long because some tools hammered Lamp (by the way, I sent the message to hammer the night, a lot better then hammering the day). And the 8/9 hours I was away is exactly my working hours. You know people need to work for a living, don't you?

About Brain's case I already said I didn't like it and that it's inconsistent. I think both of you are town. But why I would intervene and try to shut up this conversation? It doesn't make sense.

Oh no I wasn't looking for you to shut it down. You've actually done exactly what I wanted. You responded. Sorry. You can understand that brain was putting me under a lot of stress.

[Bonatogether]

i got spooked cause i thought eod was in 15 minutes

life is good

catching up

[Bonatogether]

Correction:

I would like everyone to please give their top 4 candidates for the last 2 scum spots (although it is at least possible there is only one mafia remaining):

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej

bona: blamp, bozo, RHK, rdr

Why did you think I might be scum if you thought PE was town?

i didnt really think about the list but i feel it anyways

[Bonatogether]

hey bona, whats your current take on pyxxy its seemed to have moved around numerous times for no explained reasons

around the middle of the POE.

Moving around over almost 2 weeks? oh no!

in most of those posts i believe i had reasons or at least something quoted

[Bonatogether]

final statement on the matter:

damo was no longer townreading pyxxy and was then killed and janitored as soon as damo moved pyxxy into scumreads

how seriously would scum take pyxxy? newbs don't drive daykills and no one listens to them very much aside for determining reads. I think those are largely coincidences

[Bonatogether]

@everyone, this is a short post, I swear.

If you read only one of my posts from today (N5), please read this one.


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And yet you never bring any of this up?

You've had an open and shut case to scum read me since like D3, after damo dies, and yet here I am doing all the work for you.

Why didn't you look at any of this instead of pushing your +1 theory?

i'd like to point out that making cases takes a lot of work and time and often just leads to 'this doesn't mean anything' and restarting. rereading stuff from early days with many flipped people makes a lot of sense because we can have some idea of what a large proportion of people from then are thinking/doing due to a role flip or later statements, so him only making the case now is not at all a reason it would be bad.

[bozotheclown]

bona: blamp, bozo, RHK, rdr

Why did you think I might be scum if you thought PE was town?

i didnt really think about the list but i feel it anyways

I am not sure what your answer means.

[Bonatogether]

Why did you think I might be scum if you thought PE was town?

i didnt really think about the list but i feel it anyways

I am not sure what your answer means.

so the first part means i didn't think about it

but the second part means i don't think it looks entirely dumb

[Durga]

##Call GM

Can we get the flavor name flip for Maniac who flipped VT.

Also my main question is, does the flipper's flavor name have its own unique name no matter what role was chosen?

If there was a flipper in play who chose Miller for example, would both millers have the same flavor name or would there be two unique different ones?

##GM Note: Flavour is for fun and irrelevant to anything game related

[pyxxy]

@everyone, this is a short post, I swear.

If you read only one of my posts from today (N5), please read this one.


<snipped a lot of stuff>

And yet you never bring any of this up?

You've had an open and shut case to scum read me since like D3, after damo dies, and yet here I am doing all the work for you.

Why didn't you look at any of this instead of pushing your +1 theory?

i'd like to point out that making cases takes a lot of work and time and often just leads to 'this doesn't mean anything' and restarting. rereading stuff from early days with many flipped people makes a lot of sense because we can have some idea of what a large proportion of people from then are thinking/doing due to a role flip or later statements, so him only making the case now is not at all a reason it would be bad.

Yeah sorry I wasn't trying to say "new cases are inherently weird".

I'm saying if brain's going to already do all the work to look at my old posts for +1s, and quote my old posts, and use Damo to push the idea that Damo got killed for thinking I'm scum...then he should at least look at Damo's posts.

There's only 116 Damo posts. It can't possibly be harder than scrolling all of D1+N1+D2+N2 to check everything that I +1'd.

I'm just frustrated that brain moved the goal posts again. It's been a really fun progression!
- "I just think you're scum"

- "you +1 in a way that I think is weird"

- "why are you avoiding my question about your +1s" (even though I literally didn't)

- "oh so you only +1 funny posts, well I don't think Macca is being funny here"

- "I think you tried to town slip on D1 via a +1" (?????)

- "Actually I don't think you tried to town slip"

- "Actually no you did try but it was a lie, you were lying on D1 asking about flipper vs flipped, because you +1'd a GM's post, even though I can't prove when you +1'd it"

- "yeah I'll respond to your post but not to your point about the literal order of your post coming after Eden's"

And the grand finale, the biggest goal post shove yet:
- "how come you killed Damo for scum leaning you"

??????????

*patrick "put it somewhere else" meme but it's brainbomb moving the goal posts over and over again*

You can see why I'm kinda losing my mind here, right? I've been on this thread like all day since I woke up because it's driving me batty.

Especially when Damo's posts show that Damo barely scum leaned me.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=D1-&g=73
^Every time Damo said "pyxxy"

D2 -29:13

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

NO
NO
maybe
tfb if the case

^Damo doesn't think I'm scum here.

About a day later at D2 -06:21,

This may or may not be significant. Get off me and vote TFB. If he flips scum then we can analyse Pyxxy, if TFB flips town (doubt he will unless he's flipper) we can put it on the back burner.

"This may or may not be significant."
"If he flips scum then we can analyse Pyxxy"

Damo has changed his mind during D2 and now scum leans me? At a minimum this post at D2 -05:45

scum pile (in no order)
pyxxy
rdrivera
demonrhk
maniac
tfb
sabi
ghug
celaph

help me make this list smaller

I don't townread ghug but he's the least likely out of this lot.

shows that, yeah, he probably has a small scum lean on me, but isn't really pushing me or anything. He's more concerned about not getting voted out himself.

So when brainbomb drops this:

final statement on the matter:

damo was no longer townreading pyxxy and was then killed and janitored as soon as damo moved pyxxy into scumreads

This is incredibly misleading. Why not just quote Damo if this is true?

Brain can just use the same Damo quotes that I already posted and have posted again here.

Except they don't support brain's case.

And I know brain can quote from D1 because he posted (broken) all those posts that I +1'd.

Why is it suddenly so hard to quote Damo? (sorry, this is a kinda mean rhetorical question)

Maybe I'm being way too anal about my definition of "scum read"? The way I've come to understand it, from towniest to scummiest:

town core / mech clear
town read
town lean
null
scum lean
scum read
scum...scum. evil scum. often dead at this point

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Anyway. If brain responds, I'll respond. Otherwise I'll honor his desire to let this be the last word (I assume for just tonight, seeing as he tends to rehash things).

Hopefully now this gives space for other people to post their investigations. You've all been working on stuff...right?

[BobMcBob]

##Call GM

Can we get the flavor name flip for Maniac who flipped VT.

Also my main question is, does the flipper's flavor name have its own unique name no matter what role was chosen?

If there was a flipper in play who chose Miller for example, would both millers have the same flavor name or would there be two unique different ones?

##GM Note: Flavour is for fun and irrelevant to anything game related

Correct. Flavour name is just me choosing random chicken breeds off a list because it's fun.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM: Sorry to labour the point, but why did'nt Maniac get a flavour name, and what should his flavour name have been?

[BobMcBob]

##CALL GM: Sorry to labour the point, but why did'nt Maniac get a flavour name, and what should his flavour name have been?

Maniac didn't get a flavour name because the phase was hammered and his death message had already been posted. So he can be a Hamburg chicken if that's relevant to you.

[Bonatogether]

##CALL GM: Sorry to labour the point, but why did'nt Maniac get a flavour name, and what should his flavour name have been?

Maniac didn't get a flavour name because the phase was hammered and his death message had already been posted. So he can be a Hamburg chicken if that's relevant to you.

bob da best

abandon durga to gm and come play