MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[bozotheclown]

Just/DiplomacyandWarfare/ghug does seem like an outside possibility though, Just and DiplomacyandWarfare both made unusual comments about the ghug wagon after participating in it.

[brainbomb]

ND

One thing I noticed you doing is attacking the game state by criticising the things people are talking about. For example you mentioned meta, civ 7, and a number of other things to rant about. Wanna explain that alot of us play civ games and were all gamers. Its likely something in all of us that is one of the few things we all have in common is shared love for games. Its what led us to this site probably and this forum and mafia.

So I do think that when we have opportunities to talk casually about something we all like its for the games benefit and not detriment. I can understand finding this annoying if its a game you dont play or an activity you dont partake in. This is not to try to make you feel left out this is just shared interests. If you told us about your own interests we could possibly engaged you in a new way or maybe something fun.

Are you still teaching English at a university? What is academia like these days?

[ND]

Ok 'buddy' bb

I have never taught English lol. As for the rest, I'll have to address it at a later time if I don't die.

I'll check back at some point before end prob on the commute.

#make English great again on web dip

[Red Neurax]

ND

One thing I noticed you doing is attacking the game state by criticising the things people are talking about. For example you mentioned meta, civ 7, and a number of other things to rant about. Wanna explain that alot of us play civ games and were all gamers. Its likely something in all of us that is one of the few things we all have in common is shared love for games. Its what led us to this site probably and this forum and mafia.

So I do think that when we have opportunities to talk casually about something we all like its for the games benefit and not detriment. I can understand finding this annoying if its a game you dont play or an activity you dont partake in. This is not to try to make you feel left out this is just shared interests. If you told us about your own interests we could possibly engaged you in a new way or maybe something fun.

Are you still teaching English at a university? What is academia like these days?

teaching english is a clear sign that someone is on the road to witchcraft

[brainbomb]

Were you accusing me of trying to buddy you there or something?

[ghug]

Every setup needs live guns day 1. This could be so much easier

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I'm OK trading a possible early numbers disadvantage for clearheadedness, and he could be scum too.

Did you ever feel this same way about the way worcej was playing earlier?

I'm not quite sure I understand the question.

[ghug]

Voting ND day 1 is a lazy copout.

From a game perspective, sure.

[brainbomb]

Im not allowed to share links to spreadsheets but if you go in the discord you can find the player data sheets with posting habits and its our official scoresheet with every game ect. You can view it in the channel called past games archive.

There are some pertinent topics regarding scum day 1 posting habits in regular games ect.

Cant share them here per the rules despite being the community historian (we need to change that rule imo)

[brainbomb]

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I'm OK trading a possible early numbers disadvantage for clearheadedness, and he could be scum too.

Did you ever feel this same way about the way worcej was playing earlier?

I'm not quite sure I understand the question.

I meant what worcej was doing was somewhat of a shtick, it took up alot of time and thread energy. I wondered if you at any point felt like what he was doing was creating a lack of clearheadedness

[ghug]

Dip and war posts are indeed worse than usual. Ive seen his scum game many times and I remember it being focused on piggy backing off of proposed town strategies. In the example I remember balki had a plan and then ghug had a plan, and then dip amended the plan tediously to try to seem engaged in the plan which involved some circuitous mass claim idea. Not seeing as much involvement in trying to fit in with the strategic crew but the posts he has made are so non serious and so tonally awful.

##vote diplomacy&warfare

Do you have a game number?

I think that was the multiball game.

[ghug]

Did you ever feel this same way about the way worcej was playing earlier?

I'm not quite sure I understand the question.

I meant what worcej was doing was somewhat of a shtick, it took up alot of time and thread energy. I wondered if you at any point felt like what he was doing was creating a lack of clearheadedness

I mean, anything can be a distraction. I think worcej's thing actually generated a lot of good wagon movement, which should ultimately be helpful. Interacting with ND makes me actively unexcited to look at the game, which is what I was talking about.

[brainbomb]

Im remembering https://mafia.peterlund.se/m1026/game_status.html

M1026 where we day 1 killed ND and he flipped scum. repeatedly bashing the players:

what a boring group of losers.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
You all are awful.

but then he also produced shades on people to try to generate pressure:

We have Jam and Ham playing to the meta and riffing off their simplistic and humorless posts from yesterday night. They both contributed next to nothing yesterday so there is only so long they can riff off each other before they run out of re-run content. Thank God almighty for that one. Continues the theme of Jam = Ham though.

Next. Brain makes some random post about Ham. And then Ham votes for Slippery because Slippery is on a vacation. It was probably Ham’s funniest post to date though but he just copied Damo so no credit. Important factor is Slippery voted for Brain and parroted my logic about Brain because it is undeniable with anyone more than one brain cell that Brain is extremely divorced from this game.

I dont know if I remember him trying to turn this all around on someone in this same way so far. He has more just stuck to criticising how we play and what we talk about, while repeating over and over again that he has what it takes to make web dip great

[brainbomb]

1. There is no such thing as a "new" player. Everyone has access to the game start post. Everyone has the ability to read said post. Presumably, everyone has the ability to reason -although as I will state below, this is a rarity.
2. Stating that you are a "new" player is meaningless. Stating you will help or protect a new player is not in the spirit of the game. By doing so, you limit your own ability to reason or deduce motivation.
3. There is no such thing as a "good" player. This is not objective, but subjective. As in, everyone has their own idea about what qualifies as "good".
4. Stating that someone is "good" is akin to poisoning a well. Considering that while everyone has access to the game start post, not everyone has access to fifteen years of meaningless, subjective opinion.
5. Limiting any vote to a subjective pool is a strange suggestion at best and highly suspect at worst.
6. The loudest person in the room often sets the terms of the conversation. This can lead to a consensus, but not through reason. I look for those that follow along. I look for those who drive a false conversation about an irrelevancy at an early stage. I look for slips and people who abruptly change their vote to hop onto something that is a 'sure' thing. I look for people who try to make a 'friend' because this certainly isn't the game for it. If you want to be 'good' in your own mind then I challenge each of you to play this with an eye towards making a reasonable deduction and not to be labeled 'good' by someone on an internet forum.

1 is interesting if ND is mafia and none of the new players are also.

2 same as 1

3 is interesting if ND is mafia, worcej is town, and ND didnt like that one of his mafia teammates was on worcejs list as being good.

4 same as 3

5 leans more that ND just hated worcejs idea to kill good playerts and also hated wills defense of new players, and puts ND more into the category of just dismissing everyones ideas because he has better ideas.

6 is more just cautionary advice to the room about how no one should follow anyone or listen to anything that seems powerful/influential.



In sum this is a lot of NO, with nothing promoted to do instead.

[brainbomb]

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Oh and because I just saw Spirit's post above. How do you give a 'least town vibe' to people who haven't posted yet? That isn't reasonable.

I dont know what to think here. I think spirits post was semi serious? and ND's post is actually a pretty good point.

and why on earth is dip and war so ridiculously high up on the town vibes there?

@Spirit? any reason for this list or was this just taking the piss

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

VOTE COUNT 1.6

ND (4) - ghug*, Red Neurax, ND, , Vecna
DiplomacyandWarfare (3) - BunnyGo, JustAGuyNamedWill, brainbomb
ghug (2) - worcej, bozotheclown
Red Neurax (2) - kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare
worcej (2) - damo666, foodcoats
foodcoats (1) - SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - miminena
Vecna (1) - DemonRHK

At present, the finger of doom points at ND.

Day ends in just over five hours.

Everyone has met the participation requirements. Well done.

I’m not particularly opposed to any of these wagons besides worcje and ND

ND because I feel he is just generally ‘idgaf’ town

Worcej because I believe he can be town for his outlandish theories. However he will need to actually solve D2 and onward, otherwise he will immediately land in the poe

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@brain did you ever explain your theory about the game being solved now that Bozo is here?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think if Dip is mafia, SPirit fits well as his partner

But I’m getting ahead of myself

Dip’s posting is just generally more passive and less aggressive in the sense that he isn’t seeming to actively solve. He just picks and chooses things to comment on and slide by

The only thing I saw from him that counters this was the very first 2 pages of the game in which after he declares a scumread on me, he barely even talks about me at all. Doesn’t change his read based on future posting etc etc

[SpiritoftheRadio]

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Oh and because I just saw Spirit's post above. How do you give a 'least town vibe' to people who haven't posted yet? That isn't reasonable.

I dont know what to think here. I think spirits post was semi serious? and ND's post is actually a pretty good point.

and why on earth is dip and war so ridiculously high up on the town vibes there?

@Spirit? any reason for this list or was this just taking the piss

no piss was taken, non-posters were outside the spectrum, said that already. rhk was most scummy back then,dip was least, my top 3 town have stayed the same, everyone else has moved

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I think if Dip is mafia, SPirit fits well as his partner

But I’m getting ahead of myself

Dip’s posting is just generally more passive and less aggressive in the sense that he isn’t seeming to actively solve. He just picks and chooses things to comment on and slide by

The only thing I saw from him that counters this was the very first 2 pages of the game in which after he declares a scumread on me, he barely even talks about me at all. Doesn’t change his read based on future posting etc etc

i know i am not the most cultured poster, but I probably wouldn't put my mafia partner as my top town right away. I dont really understand the dipandwar argument and besides you he is the other person who gets killed day 1 a lot in this game, so his wagon is immediately sus

[SpiritoftheRadio]

the ND wagon is also lazy and gives us 0 info besides ND's flip. He has not put any effort in and any analysis we do on him would be useless, kill a real player and hope ND wakes up day 2 when the game isn't as crappy info wise