M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BusinessLamp]

worcej’s early game iso isn’t too bad though.

when you say this, what are you looking for

[worcej]

Can we please not vote for someone that BusinessLamp and Fluminator want to DK and hammer BusinessLamp or Fluminator today?

Isn't it obvious why BusinessLamp and Fluminator were the last 2 to vote?

I do find it substantially weird that Blamp (who has towned me) used my wagon as an apparent way to save his own skin.

Fluminator at least has provided an analysis to justify having his vote.

[worcej]

I’m unsure about Flum.

I don’t think ghug would sub out as scum.

But I also don’t feel he ever adequately responded to PE’s case on him.

Flum has been back and forth in head.

I’m basically at a point where I can see any of the ones I listed as scum, but I don’t feel strongly enough bout it to have a strong preference. My townreads are mostly more certain

Honestly, and I know we've hashed this out, I think ghug was legit mad/angry and subbed out because of that. It's entirely NAI and should be viewed that way.

It doesn't change the fact ghug's play was boarderline scummy to begin with and is worth flipping now. I commented early on that he normally picked at people's takes and reads and was noticeably doing that less this time around IMHO.

[worcej]

It’s almost like reads can evolve and change as new information is presented

How did your read evolve though? I see no evolution of thought from you before voting me.

[BusinessLamp]

It’s almost like reads can evolve and change as new information is presented

How did your read evolve though? I see no evolution of thought from you before voting me.

not what I was referring to. I was responding to bozo talking about flum being on my scum list

[worcej]

Anyway, if worcej does turn out to be mafia, I’m ascribing my initial misread of him to the fact that during the night one scum meeting, they would’ve taken advantage of the fact that worcej was completely separate from everything due to not posting night one. So when he comes into day two, he’s under instruction to do everything he can to not be dragged into the mess of TFB/celaph. so it kinda makes sense why I’d see him as reasonable townie— he doesn’t really have to use any sense of artiface. So when looking at his iso we should look for unreasonable confidence on celaph, and lack of interactions with them in general.

First - I would never follow anyone's instructions, especially celaph or TFB's since I consider myself better than them (and yes, this me being an egotistical person here)

Second - There was no unreasonable confidence in my read, it was entirely based on finding information to move forward and that's presented here:

[click the arrow to see this massive wall post]

[worcej]

Do me a favour and list it out considering you have already done the work.

What can we infer about who as a result of the following:

a) celaph scumflip
b) celaph townflip
c) TFB scumslip
d) TFB townslip ?

TIA.

a) Jamie/Blamp/Sabi > Maniac > TFB >>>> bozo in likelihood to be scum.
b) Chaqa/Demon become hard-lock town for me. BB gets a stronge town read.

I assume you mean flip for c and d? I'll proceed with that:
c) Sabi looks the worst and comes off as trying to save teammate. Maniac/Demon/Chaqa look bad, but there is easier town logic to justify their moves.
d) I don't see anything gained by a town flip of TFB.

Anyways, ##vote celaph

this post is interesting. right before this post, worcej says he likes two of my takes, but then still has me as highest scum possibility. he only ever pushes celaph as an "info flip," something which isn't likely to rally people, but still allows him to be on the wagon and look good if celaph is voted. In both this post and his long post (which Flum quoted earlier today) where he analyzes the end of day, it's implied that he's going to push for bozo/me/Jamie as the next votes for "trying to save celaph."

i'm definitely like, going into this iso seeing if the worcej scum narrative makes sense, so take it with a grain of salt, but it does make sense to me as a story.

Yes, due to VCA you were in the top of my scum possibility because your vote for Kak on D1 was a deciding vote in the final moments. You were also equally tied with Jamie and Sabi.

Remember I had an exchange with Jamie?

As usual, we have an opposite opinion: I think celaph is the better info flip.

Celaph's result would help shine some light onto Maniac, Chaqa, Jamie, bozo, sabi, and TFB in my views of EOD1.

What would flipping Celaph tell you about moi?

That you potentially saved him D1. I don't easily see why you would've picked Kak over him when untieing the vote.

It doesn't auto-lock you as scum, but it makes the potential much higher.

This also applied to you because you said this with 02:10 left on D1:

im hesitant to vote kak because i remember his scum behavior last game seemed really off to me, at least from the omniscient view of the god thread.

his day one has been lazy for sure but other than that his one post of substance wasnt scummy

Yet you voted him right at end of day under the guise of stopping a tie. What makes this worse is you had this post less than 2 hours before EOD:

i think im

chaqa>celaph>demon

at this point. debating first two

So why did you not go to celaph when you could prevent a tie by voting him?

[worcej]

i also do think worcej's reaction to pressure today was more of being upset for being voted for for reasons he shouldn't be caught for, rather than being upset for being incorrectly voted for.

idk how to better articulate that or substantiate that

That's your opinion - literally I've stated my reasoning already that isn't this but if you don't believe me then wtf can I do?

[worcej]

Can we not kill Blamp today?

I'm fine with Flum or worcej.

Interesting take that Blamp voted me, got asked to explain why, and then finally does.

Yeah - let's keep the guy who cares more about living around. That's always in the best interest of town right?

[worcej]

TIL that GMs don’t ask if you’re available and just auto sub you in…

Ok my first post into the worcej reread and I'm already suspicious.
But since this goes against the rules to discuss GM communication I can't say anything. So I'll just make this awkward post instead.

To clear the air here - Bob addressed it publicly already:

##Call GM - does Worcej know he is in the game?

worcej has not yet read my message to him. I will chase him up next phase (it's a little late for that now).

He subbed me in without confirming with me if I was available and didn't reach out to me via Discord until N1 had begun. It was in the middle of the weekend and I am not in any Diplomacy games currently so I wasn't actively checking Webdip for any reason.

Scout's honor.

[worcej]

well worcej has a job guys.
and children.
in fact hes probably out at carnival with rdrivera still. maybe they just are still hungover from all the caipirinha.

maybe worcej owes mobsters some money and hes working overtime for the Jill Stien 2024 campaign

I mean, yeah that's why the phase is 48 hours long.

But if you all keep wanting to hammer phases and expect people to play this game on your time table, you're going to be disappointed sometimes...

[worcej]

Can we not kill Blamp today?

I'm fine with Flum or worcej.

im p sure flum is town

these people will prob kill me anyway. you know i'm town. it really doesnt matter much unless you think people will keep letting worcej slip by after you're killed

I know no such thing.

I'm exhausted by every person on the block making emotional appeals and pointing the finger at others, but never the one we want to vote out instead.

You won't vote Flum.

Flum won't vote you.

x won't vote Y

It's all perfectly constructed to ensure we never get a consensus.

This is why I never say never.

[worcej]

Here's where I'm at:

TOWN
--------------
Jamiet99uk
bozotheclown
Chaqa
brainbomb
pyxxy
BusinessLamp
Bonatogether
rdrivera2005
worcej
DemonRHK
Fluminator
--------------
SCUM

My version:

TOWN
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worcej
bozotheclown
Chaqa
Jamiet99uk
pyxxy
rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
brainbomb
DemonRHK
BusinessLamp
Fluminator
--------------
SCUM

[worcej]

I'm surprised by how active Worcej was during day 2. I could see him being scum and claiming to get busy during the POE phase when it looked like there were originally many other priority targets.

Been over this already...

[worcej]

Like Chaqa you literally gave Worcej a super hard time over his participation levels, yet Bona gets to drop out of the game for long periods because "he's at school" and that's absolutely fine for you.

I think you're town but your ability to apply double standards is maddening.

Fucking +1000

[worcej]

i dont really see the benefit of end-voting. i think discussion is happening still, and i want worcej to respond to stuff. i guess he said he wouldn't though. lame.

but it doesn't seem like momentum is dead or dying to me?

I said I wouldn't make it in time to hammer the phase.

[worcej]

i dont really see the benefit of end-voting. i think discussion is happening still, and i want worcej to respond to stuff. i guess he said he wouldn't though. lame.

but it doesn't seem like momentum is dead or dying to me?

It will. It's like atrophy, it sets in slowly.

Every two days spent debating the order of X, Y, and Z when we all acknowledge they need to happen is going to make this game stall to a standstill.

You're new so you haven't seen it happen, but it will.

Chaqa your problem here is that you want people to do what you want and think we're losing momentum because we won't follow your exact drum beat.

Universally the game atm is in resolving POE and the 3 people up for it are in POE, so wtf is your problem with people discussing about it?

[worcej]

##UNEND

We passed the time, so it doesn't matter now.

good job gang, we did it again. Who's going to play the role of Sabi today? Bona? Pyxxy? Can't wait til we talk ourselves out of all three of these wagons.

Considering no one has even done this yet, this comes off like my 2.5 year old crying that she has to have her dinner in the blue plate instead of the purple plate.

[worcej]

##vote sabi

Semi joke but also they’re one in my POE as potential scum still based on the celaph and TFB positions they took.

This is a bit of a weird vote to make. Hedging it as a semi-joke but sticking with it to the end when it was looking like it would work?

The joke was because sabi voted me and it was an OMGUS from timing, but I had constantly been saying sabi was in my POE and needed to be resolved.

[pyxxy]

Chaqa your problem here is that you want people to do what you want and think we're losing momentum because we won't follow your exact drum beat.

Universally the game atm is in resolving POE and the 3 people up for it are in POE, so wtf is your problem with people discussing about it?

I'm going to slightly divert this point to focus on the middle part of that sentence.

It does seem like we've at least managed to stay fairly consistent to the results of bozo's survey.

One of Businesslamp, Fluminator, and worcej will die today. That is a goal that I think we all agree on?

When I say we, I mean we. Everyone. Speak up if you would not kill any of these three today.