M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Come on Ghug, where did you go?

[worcej]

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To me, the fact that Maniac died was more a reflection of the lack of involvement from the remaining town players left in the game, which the scum could easily just ride.

I came in with a scum read of Jamie and presented this thought towards the players of the game, hoping those who scummed him numerous times in the past (rdr and ghug primarily) would want to revisit this, but they didn't engage and were past that. When nothing happened there, I started to examine who are liabilities if they are town - Maniac stuck out due to activity issues (barely above 5 posts a phase average) and Bob stuck out for their bad scum reads on my slot and an absolute lack progression on the read. I know my slot is town

I decided that I'd indulge Jamie on his Maniac wagon because Jamie had not gotten any traction for votes and I wanted to explore the chance that if Maniac flipped scum, then Bob's case was gone and I would now be publicly cleared, and if Maniac flipped town, we'd be down an incredibly bad lurker in the late phase of the game.

In regards to who looked the worse on the Maniac flip, to me it was rdr because it's the most inconsistent logical transition that I saw.

I see. What happened to your read of Jamie afterwards? Did it improve? Get worse? Stayed the same? (also note to self to reread RD there in case I missed something)

My read has gotten better (as in town and not scum) as I analyze other players more and look closer at motives. Most of my initial read was based on feeling and lack of in-depth reasoning.

The only way I can see Jamie being scum right now is if he came into this game and told his team "ya'llare going to be bussed to oblivion. Be ready for it."

And since we know Jamie is British, I doubt the word "Ya'll" has ever left his mouth.

[worcej]

Come on Ghug, where did you go?

He's working and unable to provide substance to counter people's reads of his actions.

[worcej]

First, there were 20 million people in this game. Townreading a bunch of the wagons and saying I'm open to a nullread Bob without having discussed him much isn't weird. Second, saying I'm giving celaph a day is scumreading him. Third, most people (including me) read Bob's "seems legit" as a sarcastic questioning of my fakeclaim. It definitely didn't serve to reinforce it.

Fourth, I don't have time to go through and nitpick at work, but you seem to be isoing in the bot, which means you're bound to miss things.

I don't consider myself sarcastically inept, but clearly my "sar-dar" does not sync with Bobs.

I am using the bot, but also referencing posts around known activity. Saying I am missing things is fine, but you should work to correct it instead of pulling a Trump and just saying "Wrong" in the microphone.

That's the thing, I don't have time to find all the inconsistencies (beyond the context of the Bob post that I pointed out), but I'm warning you off because I know it's a bad way to go looking for things. I'd just read the key moments in their entirety if you want to go back and read things.

FWIW, I did read them in entirety from my perspective.

It apparently would require you to engage more than you can to explain how I am doing this wrong.

[ghug]

I decided that I'd indulge Jamie on his Maniac wagon because Jamie had not gotten any traction for votes and I wanted to explore the chance that if Maniac flipped scum, then Bob's case was gone and I would now be publicly cleared, and if Maniac flipped town, we'd be down an incredibly bad lurker in the late phase of the game.

Further thought, this line of logic basically locks worcej as town for me. No scum kills a townie they don't claim to scumread so that they'll look good if that townie flips scum, and nobody would ever think to fake that logic because it's so laughably awful.

[Jamiet99uk]

Come on Ghug, where did you go?

He's working and unable to provide substance to counter people's reads of his actions.

Well I hope he's not just going to vanish and leave his vote on Kakko.

[ghug]

Come on Ghug, where did you go?

Hmm?

[ghug]

To me, the fact that Maniac died was more a reflection of the lack of involvement from the remaining town players left in the game, which the scum could easily just ride.

I came in with a scum read of Jamie and presented this thought towards the players of the game, hoping those who scummed him numerous times in the past (rdr and ghug primarily) would want to revisit this, but they didn't engage and were past that. When nothing happened there, I started to examine who are liabilities if they are town - Maniac stuck out due to activity issues (barely above 5 posts a phase average) and Bob stuck out for their bad scum reads on my slot and an absolute lack progression on the read. I know my slot is town

I decided that I'd indulge Jamie on his Maniac wagon because Jamie had not gotten any traction for votes and I wanted to explore the chance that if Maniac flipped scum, then Bob's case was gone and I would now be publicly cleared, and if Maniac flipped town, we'd be down an incredibly bad lurker in the late phase of the game.

In regards to who looked the worse on the Maniac flip, to me it was rdr because it's the most inconsistent logical transition that I saw.

I see. What happened to your read of Jamie afterwards? Did it improve? Get worse? Stayed the same? (also note to self to reread RD there in case I missed something)

My read has gotten better (as in town and not scum) as I analyze other players more and look closer at motives. Most of my initial read was based on feeling and lack of in-depth reasoning.

The only way I can see Jamie being scum right now is if he came into this game and told his team "ya'llare going to be bussed to oblivion. Be ready for it."

And since we know Jamie is British, I doubt the word "Ya'll" has ever left his mouth.

I like how you maintained Goldie's misspelling of "y'all" across the substitution. Really adds to the continuity.

[ghug]

I don't consider myself sarcastically inept, but clearly my "sar-dar" does not sync with Bobs.

I am using the bot, but also referencing posts around known activity. Saying I am missing things is fine, but you should work to correct it instead of pulling a Trump and just saying "Wrong" in the microphone.

That's the thing, I don't have time to find all the inconsistencies (beyond the context of the Bob post that I pointed out), but I'm warning you off because I know it's a bad way to go looking for things. I'd just read the key moments in their entirety if you want to go back and read things.

FWIW, I did read them in entirety from my perspective.

It apparently would require you to engage more than you can to explain how I am doing this wrong.

I don't know how you're doing it wrong. I'm just saying be careful.

[ghug]

Come on Ghug, where did you go?

He's working and unable to provide substance to counter people's reads of his actions.

Well I hope he's not just going to vanish and leave his vote on Kakko.

I will be here for EoD

[Kakarroto]

I've read the first 6 pages but now work is calling.

##Vote DeathLlama8

Jamie is town.

Jamie sure is playing this game of mafia.

oh look, it's a day one joke phase comparison from todays two leading wagons about Jamie

@damo, do you still read Jamie being sure town? What was it that made you read Jamie town in the first place?

@bob are you still sure Jamie is playing this game of mafia?

[Jamiet99uk]

He's working and unable to provide substance to counter people's reads of his actions.

Well I hope he's not just going to vanish and leave his vote on Kakko.

I will be here for EoD

Yes but I won't.

Y'awl have got my participation for about another 90 mins.

So who do you want to flip?

[Kakarroto]

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I like how you maintained Goldie's misspelling of "y'all" across the substitution. Really adds to the continuity.

don't you mean yal'l?

[worcej]

I decided that I'd indulge Jamie on his Maniac wagon because Jamie had not gotten any traction for votes and I wanted to explore the chance that if Maniac flipped scum, then Bob's case was gone and I would now be publicly cleared, and if Maniac flipped town, we'd be down an incredibly bad lurker in the late phase of the game.

Further thought, this line of logic basically locks worcej as town for me. No scum kills a townie they don't claim to scumread so that they'll look good if that townie flips scum, and nobody would ever think to fake that logic because it's so laughably awful.

The only reason I thought this is because of the scan.

Unless Bob was so moronic (he isn't) to think that "Blue = Cop" + "ACAB" = Scum!worcej still after a GF!Manic flip.

[worcej]

I see. What happened to your read of Jamie afterwards? Did it improve? Get worse? Stayed the same? (also note to self to reread RD there in case I missed something)

My read has gotten better (as in town and not scum) as I analyze other players more and look closer at motives. Most of my initial read was based on feeling and lack of in-depth reasoning.

The only way I can see Jamie being scum right now is if he came into this game and told his team "ya'llare going to be bussed to oblivion. Be ready for it."

And since we know Jamie is British, I doubt the word "Ya'll" has ever left his mouth.

I like how you maintained Goldie's misspelling of "y'all" across the substitution. Really adds to the continuity.

As a Yankee who lived in the South for 2 years, I maintain it's "Ya'll" based on how it actually sounds out of a southerner's mouth.

[worcej]

Well I hope he's not just going to vanish and leave his vote on Kakko.

I will be here for EoD

Yes but I won't.

Y'awl have got my participation for about another 90 mins.

So who do you want to flip?

I assume you want ghug's opinion here.

[Jamiet99uk]

I will be here for EoD

Yes but I won't.

Y'awl have got my participation for about another 90 mins.

So who do you want to flip?

I assume you want ghug's opinion here.

What is the point of this inane question?

Of course I want Ghug's opinion. That is why I asked him.
Why does this require any kind of clarification whatsoever?
Why did you need to post this post?

[ghug]

Well I hope he's not just going to vanish and leave his vote on Kakko.

I will be here for EoD

Yes but I won't.

Y'awl have got my participation for about another 90 mins.

So who do you want to flip?

Kak

[Kakarroto]

Yes but I won't.

Y'awl have got my participation for about another 90 mins.

So who do you want to flip?

I assume you want ghug's opinion here.

What is the point of this inane question?

Of course I want Ghug's opinion. That is why I asked him.
Why does this require any kind of clarification whatsoever?
Why did you need to post this post?

I may offer an answer to that: because other people felt an urge to question it from their perspective (too) and wanted to check before doing so if you would be interested into that.

[ghug]

My read has gotten better (as in town and not scum) as I analyze other players more and look closer at motives. Most of my initial read was based on feeling and lack of in-depth reasoning.

The only way I can see Jamie being scum right now is if he came into this game and told his team "ya'llare going to be bussed to oblivion. Be ready for it."

And since we know Jamie is British, I doubt the word "Ya'll" has ever left his mouth.

I like how you maintained Goldie's misspelling of "y'all" across the substitution. Really adds to the continuity.

As a Yankee who lived in the South for 2 years, I maintain it's "Ya'll" based on how it actually sounds out of a southerner's mouth.

How does moving an apostrophe change how it sounds?