Mini-Mafia M1014

[goldfinger0303]

I just don't really see how waiting to vote makes someone obv!town. What would you have done if yoyo had counterclaimed sooner? Vote for bozo?

Switched the vote to damo, who I had been prepping as a possible counter in case my hunch was right.

It shows that I had found a PR and chose not to vote for them instead of just silently slipping on and pushing. I had spoken out enough about yoyo during the course of the day that it would've aroused *zero* suspicion had I just voted him and stayed on. Instead I made a big deal about waiting and seeing, waiting and seeing.

You would have switched your vote to damo if it was cop claim v cop claim?

It kinda bothers me that you're relying so heavily on this waiting and seeing - if anything it could indicate that you didn't want to be responsible for flipping town.

Yes. Because the cop v cop claim is something I want sorted out on D2. Not on D1 with about 90 seconds left in the phase.

I just don't get it. People are scumreading me for not wanting to kill a PR, when I had more intuition than all of you to sus out he was a potential PR to begin with.

[ghug]

Switched the vote to damo, who I had been prepping as a possible counter in case my hunch was right.

It shows that I had found a PR and chose not to vote for them instead of just silently slipping on and pushing. I had spoken out enough about yoyo during the course of the day that it would've aroused *zero* suspicion had I just voted him and stayed on. Instead I made a big deal about waiting and seeing, waiting and seeing.

You would have switched your vote to damo if it was cop claim v cop claim?

It kinda bothers me that you're relying so heavily on this waiting and seeing - if anything it could indicate that you didn't want to be responsible for flipping town.

Yes. Because the cop v cop claim is something I want sorted out on D2. Not on D1 with about 90 seconds left in the phase.

I just don't get it. People are scumreading me for not wanting to kill a PR, when I had more intuition than all of you to sus out he was a potential PR to begin with.

We're scumreading you for not wanting to kill the scum the PR was up against.

[goldfinger0303]

I just don't really see how waiting to vote makes someone obv!town. What would you have done if yoyo had counterclaimed sooner? Vote for bozo?

Switched the vote to damo, who I had been prepping as a possible counter in case my hunch was right.

It shows that I had found a PR and chose not to vote for them instead of just silently slipping on and pushing. I had spoken out enough about yoyo during the course of the day that it would've aroused *zero* suspicion had I just voted him and stayed on. Instead I made a big deal about waiting and seeing, waiting and seeing.

Making a big deal out of trying to appear townie is a thing scum do. I also remember feeling at the time like you were just waiting to cast a vote at the last minute where it would suit you most (at the time I thought this might be because you were avoiding town v town, but wanting town points for not killing someone you thought was PR and not wanting to kill your partner is also a valid explanation).

If anything I should've made a bigger deal out of it N1 to try and save rdrivera. Ah well.

Game is too short for long con plays like that. If I'm scum, I'm getting my kill straight away and relying on my press to talk my way out of any consequences. It's usually successful.

[goldfinger0303]

You would have switched your vote to damo if it was cop claim v cop claim?

It kinda bothers me that you're relying so heavily on this waiting and seeing - if anything it could indicate that you didn't want to be responsible for flipping town.

Yes. Because the cop v cop claim is something I want sorted out on D2. Not on D1 with about 90 seconds left in the phase.

I just don't get it. People are scumreading me for not wanting to kill a PR, when I had more intuition than all of you to sus out he was a potential PR to begin with.

We're scumreading you for not wanting to kill the scum the PR was up against.

That would require me to 1) know he's scum at the time. And 2) know he's scum now

[goldfinger0303]

Hi MoscowFleet

Hopefully you're kicking yourself after seeing the Info QT

[Durga]

Durga, why haven't you made me a focus at all yet?

Because I don't really know what to say to you. I know you were willing to vote to lynch bozo d1 but most of your memorable content has been shitposting and I figured I'd leave it for the reread.

[ghug]

Yes. Because the cop v cop claim is something I want sorted out on D2. Not on D1 with about 90 seconds left in the phase.

I just don't get it. People are scumreading me for not wanting to kill a PR, when I had more intuition than all of you to sus out he was a potential PR to begin with.

We're scumreading you for not wanting to kill the scum the PR was up against.

That would require me to 1) know he's scum at the time. And 2) know he's scum now

Exactly.

This is the press that usually talks you out of things?

[goldfinger0303]

We're scumreading you for not wanting to kill the scum the PR was up against.

That would require me to 1) know he's scum at the time. And 2) know he's scum now

Exactly.

This is the press that usually talks you out of things?

But we don't know he's scum now, and I didn't know he was scum at the time.

I haven't really gone full try-hard yet, ghug. Trying to use this time productively to determine if we're in lylo or not based on how I'm being pushed

[goldfinger0303]

Although that requires me to be far more intuitive than I actually am. Was only able to sus out yoyo because of Durga pointing out his true behavior that seems obvious in hindsight.

[ghug]

Although that requires me to be far more intuitive than I actually am. Was only able to sus out yoyo because of Durga pointing out his true behavior that seems obvious in hindsight.

Actually, let's go back to that for a second. Why did that make you think PR rather than scum, when you'd been scumreading him?

[ghug]

That would require me to 1) know he's scum at the time. And 2) know he's scum now

Exactly.

This is the press that usually talks you out of things?

But we don't know he's scum now, and I didn't know he was scum at the time.

I haven't really gone full try-hard yet, ghug. Trying to use this time productively to determine if we're in kilo or not based on how I'm being pushed

[Durga]

Although that requires me to be far more intuitive than I actually am. Was only able to sus out yoyo because of Durga pointing out his true behavior that seems obvious in hindsight.

i pointed out what is pretty often scummy behaviour, but you thought it was PR instead? why? why think it's PR instead of scum unless you know he's not scum

[Durga]

Although that requires me to be far more intuitive than I actually am. Was only able to sus out yoyo because of Durga pointing out his true behavior that seems obvious in hindsight.

Actually, let's go back to that for a second. Why did that make you think PR rather than scum, when you'd been scumreading him?

stop posting my thoughts before me

[goldfinger0303]

I knew he was playing oddly and off-meta, so he was either scum or PR. Why not scum?

He wasn't defending himself nearly as vigorously as I thought he would if we were scum. But I also still wasn't sure off the bat which is it was. That's why I kept saying "I'm waiting on Yoyo"

If he came back and checked in at the end of the day, he would be a PR. I mean, yeah he could still be scum, but I pegged it at a higher likelihood he would be PR in this scenario.

If he dipped and was actually off at EOD, it's because he was leaving it to his scum buddy to push the wagon off him. It's a very frequent scum tactic because people are less willing to vote those who aren't there to defend themselves.

[goldfinger0303]

And then of course when he posted with 3 min left and did not claim, I figured my PR guess and logic was wrong, he must be scum, and voted him.

[Hamilton Brian]

And then of course when he posted with 3 min left and did not claim, I figured my PR guess and logic was wrong, he must be scum, and voted him.

The timing certainly lines up; you both practically simul-posted with a minute to go.

Not avoiding your question from earlier; just wanted to try to synthesize the past couple of pages.

[Hamilton Brian]

You notice I was different this game than last game. And last game I was scum.

That doesn't give you any pause?

Nope. It tells me you’re a savvy enough player that you’re going to make a slight change and see if it helps net the same result. It’s obvious you think I am pretty susceptible to manipulation.

You are right. No mafia in their right mind would want to NK me. I’m not a threat to them through my lack of questions or convincing.

I still think the greatest issue around you being scum comes down to the D1 vote. It’s further exacerbated through your convoluted defence of your vote continuing through today.

Now a bit of a reprieve for you, and MF is probably pounding on the table that I’m even mentioning it, is that Damos was potentially pocketing me in an earlier post from today. I’m 50/50 on them. But I’m 95% sure of you.

[Hamilton Brian]

@gold, if you weren’t getting the desired results when you felt like Yoyo was PR, why didn’t you resort to something slightly more explicit?

[goldfinger0303]

@gold, if you weren’t getting the desired results when you felt like Yoyo was PR, why didn’t you resort to something slightly more explicit?

And potentially out a PR that was doing their best to not have to claim?

As I said, my test relied on seeing if he was really going to be offline at EOD. It was going to be a last second advocacy no matter what

[ghug]

@gold, if you weren’t getting the desired results when you felt like Yoyo was PR, why didn’t you resort to something slightly more explicit?

And potentially out a PR that was doing their best to not have to claim?

As I said, my test relied on seeing if he was really going to be offline at EOD. It was going to be a last second advocacy no matter what

I don't believe you'd be dumb enough as town to think someone was likely a PR and choose to wait for them to come online to claim and then try to quickly move a wagon off of them in the short period of time between them returning and them claiming because they need to. The far more plausible explanation is that your teammate was in trouble and you wanted to leave your saving options open.