M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

Except everytime I look at day 2 I can't help but assume Doony Jamie and rdr must all be town.

Perhaps it is GF worcej and goon Bob and the Bob tunnel is one big facade.

I keep coming back to Bob being the best flip today.

Can you explain the D2 analysis leading to Donny, Jamie, and rdr as must be town?

With 2 minutes to go the vote was TFB 8 celaph 6 Bob 5. In the last minute Donny Jamie rdr all voted celaph to kill him. I can't see scum doing that can you? I suppose an ultra alert rdr might do it for the credit as celaph was 2 ahead when he voted. I think we can say with certainty there are not 2 scum in those 3.

[rdrivera2005]

This Bob wagon stinks. I think both scum are on it, probably Worcej and Damo.

My best bet is still Damo that used that trash argument from Worcej to justify this votes. I agree with Bob here, if Ghug is scum we probably lost already and this is not a reason to vote anyone. Also, the liability reason is another rubbish argument, if someone is a liability is Donny, like Ghug already pointed.

Damo´s play here isn´t his usual town play. He will be a lot more indignant with the last misskils and I don´t see town Damo just ignoring math and voting Maniac like last day and ignoring this aspect at all.

I really hope the reamaining town can also see this and join me on Damo, otherwise we will lose.

I asked a question about Damo earlier, and I have not seen your answer to it.

This is somewhat odd if you are serious about flipping Damo.

Are you keeping up with the thread?

I probable missed the question, I am trying to keep up, but sometimes it´s hard being on vacation and using only my phone. Will try to find it.

[damo666]

Bob's passion and now resignation don't seem so fake any more.

I could switch to ghug or rdr if either happen.

[damo666]

@Jamie I am not buddying you. I genuinely believe you are town. I'll scumread you if that will make you happier!

[BobMcBob]

Bob's passion and now resignation don't seem so fake any more.

I could switch to ghug or rdr if either happen.

Would you switch to anyone else? Because if someone other than me dies today, it's not going to be either of them.

[rdrivera2005]

Well this thread went quiet while I was doing other things.

I would criticise Donny for not posting, but apparently that's not scummy.

This exchange between Worcej and Ghug looks like the most interesting thing to happen lately. I shall read it now.

While I do that, just a thought:

Is it possible that Damo has been buddying me this whole game?

Jamiet, I think this is the question you were talking about. I didn´t answer because I thought it´s just a rethorical question or a question to Damo, not a question addressed to other people´s answer.

Anyway, I had the same thought about Damo before (that he was buddying me) and his last post starting to scumread me and Ghug a bit is consistent with a scum that need to set some more miskills to win and buddying you is a great way to achieve this as it seems to be working.

[Jamiet99uk]

^ My point is, defending yourself, as you are doing, is natural, but it only goes so far. You also need to give us a better candidate.

You seem to think that Worcej is scum. Yet you also savagely attacked people, including me, for being stupid enough to vote for Maniac when he had been copscanned as innocent. Why does the same not apply to Worcej who was also scanned innocent?

Because regardless of what you think, Maniac was not scummy. Not the case with worcej.

Candidates I would vote for that you might theoretically consider voting for are damo and worcej. Worcej I have explained to great length. You have ignored it every time.

Damo is mainly by PoE from my perspective, where I don't believe ghug or rdr to be scum, but damo has had awful voting so far as well as pretty poor logic, a largely unexplained flip to suddenly scumreading Maniac, and various other inconsistencies when it suits him.

I would also vote for Donny over myself but I don't really want to.

##vote damo

Bob, I've actually been patient and open to discuss things with you sensibly today. Why do you feel the need to belittle and insult me repeatedly in response?

Being submissive to younger men is not my kink, so this is a bad strategy.

[Jamiet99uk]

I need to re-analyse Damo. Something is bothering me.

[BobMcBob]

^ My point is, defending yourself, as you are doing, is natural, but it only goes so far. You also need to give us a better candidate.

You seem to think that Worcej is scum. Yet you also savagely attacked people, including me, for being stupid enough to vote for Maniac when he had been copscanned as innocent. Why does the same not apply to Worcej who was also scanned innocent?

Because regardless of what you think, Maniac was not scummy. Not the case with worcej.

Candidates I would vote for that you might theoretically consider voting for are damo and worcej. Worcej I have explained to great length. You have ignored it every time.

Damo is mainly by PoE from my perspective, where I don't believe ghug or rdr to be scum, but damo has had awful voting so far as well as pretty poor logic, a largely unexplained flip to suddenly scumreading Maniac, and various other inconsistencies when it suits him.

I would also vote for Donny over myself but I don't really want to.

##vote damo

Bob, I've actually been patient and open to discuss things with you sensibly today. Why do you feel the need to belittle and insult me repeatedly in response?

Being submissive to younger men is not my kink, so this is a bad strategy.

You have in fact ignored my case on worcej every time I have brought it up. You could consider not ignoring and that would be nice. Maniac also wasn't scummy. I find it strange that you think I am insulting you in this post, which is not intended to insult you and doesn't try. Are you attempting to avoid the rest of my post?

[damo666]

I need to re-analyse Damo. Something is bothering me.

Bob!

[damo666]

Bob's passion and now resignation don't seem so fake any more.

I could switch to ghug or rdr if either happen.

Would you switch to anyone else? Because if someone other than me dies today, it's not going to be either of them.

doubtful

[damo666]

Having said that....

##vote Donny

He hasn't posted for 60+ hours.

@GM maybe give him a nudge? Make sure all is OK?

[Jamiet99uk]

Having said that....

##vote Donny

He hasn't posted for 60+ hours.

@GM maybe give him a nudge? Make sure all is OK?

You need to ##CALL GM for that really.

[damo666]

Having said that....

##vote Donny

He hasn't posted for 60+ hours.

@GM maybe give him a nudge? Make sure all is OK?

You need to ##CALL GM for that really.

What's wrong with that?

[Jamiet99uk]

Having said that....

##vote Donny

He hasn't posted for 60+ hours.

@GM maybe give him a nudge? Make sure all is OK?

You need to ##CALL GM for that really.

What's wrong with that?

Just most GM's will periodically search for double hashtags, not @ signs.

[worcej]

Let's tread out worcej's list of statements on how I have and should play:

I should not try to save myself - If you're town, you should focus on your team winning.
I should care who dies - Yes, you should absolutely care who you run up.
I should be making pushes - Yep, you definitely should be.
I should not be making any of the pushes I am making - Never said that.
I am not making pushes - Never said that.
I am making dumb pushes - Well, yeah thinking a scanned townie slot must be scum for days is kinda stupid.
I should not vote an inno scan - This is pretty consistent from game to game...
Voting for inno scans is entirely accpetable - Never said this.
My voting has no purpose - For the most part this is true.
I have been instrumental in killing multiple town (all of which I was the last vote on a minute from the end when the outcome was decided) - Never said those were instrumental votes, but okay
I have not been instrumental in killing any scum (where my voting onto them was exactly the same) - This is very true - last second votes on Durga and Vecna were not value added.
My reads are too weak and hedgy - Yes, this is true for known scum.
My reads are too strong - Your reads on HR, Bona, and my slot are incredibly assertive
I am not adjusting my reads enough - Yeah, your reads haven't changed in 12 days.
My reads are too uncertain - Yep, definitely true for Durga, Vecna, and Celaph.

From this I can build up a clear picture of exactly how worcej wants me to play. He wants me to create a second account, sign up with that too, and play two completely different games at once.

Fixed all of your misrepresentations of my stances for you. See them in bold in the quote.

[worcej]

Also I'm pretty sure I don't explain my thoughts this elaborately when I'm scum. Anyway, I'm proably gonna go do a Durga until EoD, inevitably flip as town, and then either get flamed for not trying hard enough to defend myself by people who wouldn't have listened anyway, or have them all pretend that it was absolutely the right choice to make.

Then everybody in the godthread will be disappointed in Jamie again if he's town, or disappointed in town if he's scum. If Jamie is town he'll absolutely flame me for this post and pretend that he was justified in flipping me. If worcej is scum you'll never hear the end of it, and if he's town he'll continue to be just as hypocritcal and insulting after the game is over in an attempt to justify his stupid actions to himself. If ghug is town, he'll probably be disappointed I didn't defend myself more, but also disappointed that damo and Jamie and worcej continued to vote me. Rdr will be confused. Donny will be lazy.

If rdr is scum we will almost guaranteed lose. If worcej is scum we will also almost certainly lose, despite my best efforts. If the team is ghug and Jamie we'll lose. If Donny is town we'll probably lose. In fact I really can't see many scenarios where we win from here.

So good game scum (pre-emptively), I'll be around for EoD voting just in case, but I don't feel like defending myself any further when nobody is going to listen and I'm just going to be continually insulted. I'm off to be disappointed and frustrated with the rest of the godthread, presumably.

Actually I am willing to engage with you, just as I have engaged with you at multiple points in this game.

However, having a temper tantrum like this does you no favours.

Yeah, quite honestly I've been engaging with you the entire time Bob, you've just been a child about the fact I am critical of your gameplay and scum you.

[damo666]

You need to ##CALL GM for that really.

What's wrong with that?

Just most GM's will periodically search for double hashtags, not @ signs.

Oh I see.

##GM

[worcej]

Current gamestate from my POV:

- Ghug, Worcej and Bob are at least making an effort, whichever alignments they are. I hope I am as well, despite Ghug's harsh words to the contrary. I am not scum and I would like to win.

- Donny is totally absent and is presumably in violation of the amorphous participation requirements we now suffer under.

- Damo has not posted for some time and is playing in a robotic fashion that is starting to concern me.

- Rdrivera is paying only minimal attention to the thread, apparently logging in about once every 12 hours, reacting to the bot, and commenting on the first relevant post he sees on the latest page but otherwise missing things (such as my question about Damo buddying, even though Damo is apparently his top scumread so surely such a question would be interesting to him)...

I share these assessments, but would shorten it to this:

You (Jamie) question Bob's intentions and think he may be scum.
Ghug wants to keep Bob alive. Wants to kill Donny.
Bob wants to stay alive and doesn't care who dies.
Damo wants to kill Bob for Kilo and potential scum. Now moved vote to Donny for pressure?
rdr wants to get Damo because he believes Damo is faking his logic/reads.
Donny is MIA.

[worcej]

^ My point is, defending yourself, as you are doing, is natural, but it only goes so far. You also need to give us a better candidate.

You seem to think that Worcej is scum. Yet you also savagely attacked people, including me, for being stupid enough to vote for Maniac when he had been copscanned as innocent. Why does the same not apply to Worcej who was also scanned innocent?

**popcorn munching Michael Jackson meme energy**