20 Questions, Game 302

[cdngooner]

So I guess what I'm sayin is, I never did get an answer to my question about whether the person appears in an English-language poem. I would ask that QM not refuse to answer a question as asked simply because some third party asked for a clarification on what was a clearly-worded question.

[cdngooner]

Also, the answer "did not originate in an English-language poem" should not be counted as part of the 20, because that question was never asked.

[DreamTrawler]

So I guess what I'm sayin is, I never did get an answer to my question about whether the person appears in an English-language poem. I would ask that QM not refuse to answer a question as asked simply because some third party asked for a clarification on what was a clearly-worded question.

I will amend my answer. As far as I know this character has not appeared in an English language poem, defining poem narrowly. However this is just based on the character’s Wikipedia page.

Edit - I will keep this info up, but I’ll change my answer to pass as I honestly am not sure.

[DreamTrawler]

Also, I apologize for also scratching Wattsthematter’s question yesterday. I was traveling so I didn’t notice who was asking the question and who had asked for it to be scratched.

[DreamTrawler]

free guess: Roland?

No - but I will give a slight hint and say you are nearing the time period.

[DreamTrawler]

1,2,3,4,6,9,10,12. Fictional human first introduced 1199 or earlier
5,7,8. Not first introduced in a book, graphic novel, comic, movie, or TV show
11. Male
13. Originated in the folklore or mythology of a place in Europe
14, 15. Not from Greek, Roman, Norse, or Celtic mythology
16. Does not have supernatural powers
17. Not commemorated on an annual holiday or cultural practice

Passed:
Did this character originate in what is now Western Europe (under the UN geoscheme) or Ireland?
Did this character appear in an English-language poem? (though I think the answer is no)

NOT:
King Arthur (Hominidae)
Roland (Hanging Rook)

[Spartaculous]

Is there a well-known musical work featuring this character?

If yes, I guess Siegfried.

[DreamTrawler]

Is there a well-known musical work featuring this character?

If yes, I guess Siegfried.

No (using my own judgment for well-known).

[Hanging Rook]

Male christian?

[DreamTrawler]

Male christian?

Yes.

[cdngooner]

I'm very interested to see who this will be. The same time period as Roland would be the High Middle Ages, and the folkloric characters I can think of have been eliminated: Tristan (and Isolde) is clearly Celtic, so no pass. Abelard (and Eloise) is a real person (I was surprised to find out). Lohengrin was the subject of a famous opera.

I'm going to guess Renaud de Montauban, and after that I'm probably tapped out.

[DreamTrawler]

I'm very interested to see who this will be. The same time period as Roland would be the High Middle Ages, and the folkloric characters I can think of have been eliminated: Tristan (and Isolde) is clearly Celtic, so no pass. Abelard (and Eloise) is a real person (I was surprised to find out). Lohengrin was the subject of a famous opera.

I'm going to guess Renaud de Montauban, and after that I'm probably tapped out.

Not Renaud.

[Hominidae]

Was this character's story written down for the first time in a Romance language, or by a native speaker of a Romance language? (Latin is not a Romance language.)

[DreamTrawler]

Was this character's story written down for the first time in a Romance language, or by a native speaker of a Romance language? (Latin is not a Romance language.)

No to the best of my knowledge. Also I think this is the 20th question, so perhaps I will give some hints

[DreamTrawler]

1,2,3,4,6,9,10,12. Fictional human first introduced 1199 or earlier
5,7,8. Not first introduced in a book, graphic novel, comic, movie, or TV show
11, 19. Male Christian
13. Originated in the folklore or mythology of a place in Europe
14, 15. Not from Greek, Roman, Norse, or Celtic mythology
16. Does not have supernatural powers
17. Not commemorated on an annual holiday or cultural practice
18. Not featured in a well-known musical work
20. Not written down for the first time in a Romance language, or by a native speaker of a Romance language (not including Latin)

Passed:
Did this character originate in what is now Western Europe (under the UN geoscheme) or Ireland?
Did this character appear in an English-language poem? (though I think the answer is no)

NOT:
King Arthur (Hominidae)
Roland (Hanging Rook)
Renaud de Montauban (cdngooner)

[DreamTrawler]

Hint 1: While I do not think this figure has appeared in an English language poem, he is mentioned very briefly in a Shakespeare play.

[Hominidae]

I have to say, it has been fun trawling folklore articles on Wikipedia for potential answers.

[DreamTrawler]

I have to say, it has been fun trawling folklore articles on Wikipedia for potential answers.

Trawling dreams, perhaps?

[Spartaculous]

I have to say, it has been fun trawling folklore articles on Wikipedia for potential answers.

Here is another approach you can use. Take a look at:

https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/concordance/

This is a list of every word that appears in one (or more) Shakespeare plays. Presumably the answer is somewhere in these lists.

You would presumably want to search at the bottom of each list (for the words that only appear once or twice).

Caution: proper names are not capitalized in the list.

[DreamTrawler]

Hint 2: This figure is sometimes said to be *descended from* a character that is commemorated on an annual holiday or cultural practice