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Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:39 pm

I've just noticed that this colour in particular is basically invisible in dark mode.

That's a fun little discovery.

Tee hee.

Can’t wait for this to be exploited

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:45 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:39 pm

I've just noticed that this colour in particular is basically invisible in dark mode.

That's a fun little discovery.

Tee hee.

Don't do it in the game or I will modkill.

This is the only warning.

Go fuck yourself, Chaqa. You're choosing to present a Mafia game using a forum which has "light mode" and "dark mode". It's total bullshit for you to demand that everyone uses dark mode just because you do. This is my only warning. If you want to be this much of a cunt on purpose, I demand a full Council ruling, rather than your personal opinion.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:59 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:45 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:39 pm

I've just noticed that this colour in particular is basically invisible in dark mode.

That's a fun little discovery.

Tee hee.

Don't do it in the game or I will modkill.

This is the only warning.

Go fuck yourself, Chaqa. You're choosing to present a Mafia game using a forum which has "light mode" and "dark mode". It's total bullshit for you to demand that everyone uses dark mode just because you do. This is my only warning. If you want to be this much of a cunt on purpose, I demand a full Council ruling, rather than your personal opinion.

Dude, this isn't a light mode/dark mode issue. This is a obscuring text on purpose issue.

It's just as bad to use this colour in light mode: Can you see this?

sweetandcool wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:14 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:59 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:45 pm

Don't do it in the game or I will modkill.

This is the only warning.

Go fuck yourself, Chaqa. You're choosing to present a Mafia game using a forum which has "light mode" and "dark mode". It's total bullshit for you to demand that everyone uses dark mode just because you do. This is my only warning. If you want to be this much of a cunt on purpose, I demand a full Council ruling, rather than your personal opinion.

Dude, this isn't a light mode/dark mode issue. This is a obscuring text on purpose issue.

It's just as bad to use this colour in light mode: Can you see this?

Of course, one assumes that you wouldn't actually do it in game. But it falls under the same common sense rule of forbidding extremely tiny font.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:59 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:45 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:39 pm

I've just noticed that this colour in particular is basically invisible in dark mode.

That's a fun little discovery.

Tee hee.

Don't do it in the game or I will modkill.

This is the only warning.

Go fuck yourself, Chaqa. You're choosing to present a Mafia game using a forum which has "light mode" and "dark mode". It's total bullshit for you to demand that everyone uses dark mode just because you do. This is my only warning. If you want to be this much of a cunt on purpose, I demand a full Council ruling, rather than your personal opinion.

You are insanely dense and I'm honestly over your shit. You can choose not to play in my game if you don't think you can stop yourself from deliberately hiding text from dark mode users.

I don't care either way.

Chaqa has blocked me on Discord.

I feel this is unacceptable and demand a Council ruling. My position is that webDip Mafia is played on a php forum, which allows coloured text, and that Chaqa does not have the right to ban players from colouring their text.

I would like a formal ruling.

Brainbombs official ruling

Dont be an idiot

We play this game on a PhP forum that happens to have these settings.

Chaqa has absolutely no right to demand that everyone must adjust their settings to Dark Mode in order to play.

Fuck off.

It just seems like a really dumb hill to die on

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:44 am

It just seems like a really dumb hill to die on

I agree with you.

Nobody should die on this hill.

The Council should rule accordingly.

*Sigh*

Jamie man, you know that isn't what I'm saying here.

Just don't be a dick and try to hide messages from people. It has been very standard to sometimes highlight text in green, red, yellow, or blue. That isn't what we're talking about here either. Just don't pick a color close to a shade you know (thanks to your own discovery, Tee Hee) will be a problem and we're good.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:59 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:45 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:39 pm

I've just noticed that this colour in particular is basically invisible in dark mode.

That's a fun little discovery.

Tee hee.

Don't do it in the game or I will modkill.

This is the only warning.

Go fuck yourself, Chaqa. You're choosing to present a Mafia game using a forum which has "light mode" and "dark mode". It's total bullshit for you to demand that everyone uses dark mode just because you do. This is my only warning. If you want to be this much of a cunt on purpose, I demand a full Council ruling, rather than your personal opinion.

To spell it out, what happened here:
1. You announced you had found a color invisible to dark moders. TEE HEE.
2. I said to not do that (i.e. deliberately hide a message from dark mode users, or light mode users too, logically). TEE HEE
3. You misconstrue this as me "demand[ing] that everyone uses dark mode just because you do". TEE HEE

I am so tired of coddling your outbursts. Grow up.

To spell it out, what happened here:

1. Ghug criticised you for using a colour that was not easy to see in light mode.
2. You responded with dismissive abuse.
3. I agreed with Ghug and announced I had found a colour very hard to see in dark mode.
4. You stated you would modkill anyone using that colour.
5. I objected to this blanket response.
6. I attempted to reach out to you on Discord,
7. You blocked me, to prevent me from talking to you.
8. I appealed for a Council response.

What else can I do at this point?

There was a ruling on this matter by Eden in the last year. He said it would be against the rules to hide ones posts by making font size so small it was unreadable. And this was because of M1025 where bunny was posting multiple things in tiny font.

Fox stated:
##GM NOTE:

Do not use text that cannot be plainly read on screen in the forum. This includes setting the font size to very small numbers or putting votes or other text in image URLs. I have zero tolerance for this kind of fuckery.


And after the game it was my understanding the council adopted this as rule that you cant deliberately mask your posts or votes by font size or color

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:59 am

There was a ruling on this matter by Eden in the last year. He said it would be against the rules to hide ones posts by making font size so small it was unreadable. And this was because of M1025 where bunny was posting multiple things in tiny font.

Fox stated:
##GM NOTE:

Do not use text that cannot be plainly read on screen in the forum. This includes setting the font size to very small numbers or putting votes or other text in image URLs. I have zero tolerance for this kind of fuckery.

And after the game it was my understanding the council adopted this as rule that you cant deliberately mask your posts or votes by font size or color

Right, that's fine!

But on this basis, people should not use colours that are hard to see in light mode, no?

Chaqa was suggesting that as long as a text colour works ok in dark mode, people who use light mode just need to suck it. I do not think that is reasonable.

KOUNCIL RULING (AKA the reason ghug will not have time to purchase a burrito at the lovely taco truck before bar trivia, you're welcome):

We have a preexisting rule on the subject of legibility:

'We announce a new rule which requires all votes, including end votes, to be cast in a legible font, which includes a font size sufficient for a normal viewer to read unaided."

This rule applies only to votes, and not other posts. It covers all aspects of text formatting, including color and size, and protects users of dark mode and light mode, the colorblind, Braille readers, and any other user who requires particular accommodation, provided they voice it.

The rule does not apply to all posts out of a desire to avoid draconian measures, but, like any other permissive rule, this is subject to change if permissiveness is abused. Please keep in mind that your fellow users may not use the same color scheme as you, and that's OK, because it's a fucking color scheme.

If Chaqa actually wants to ban light mode, he should discuss it with me, because I would have strong opinions on the subject. I currently see no indication that this is his aim.

I love you all. Yes, even you.

Thanks Ghug.

I agree with ghug. This is not a hill worth dying on. This started as a joke and became a full-blown argument.
I also agree with ghug that changing text colors should not be allowed if it causes issues for some people reading it.
Let's please calm down and try to have fun discussing mafia.

Hmm I’m not a good fit for the Kouncil

In this scenario the urge to make the official ruling all white text would be too much to handle

JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:19 am

Hmm I’m not a good fit for the Kouncil

In this scenario the urge to make the official ruling all white text would be too much to handle

But Will, the official ruling is all white text....