Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

So what did BunnyGo do with the online status last game that was considered questionable? I changed my online status to hidden for the first time after reading Jamie's "Who is Online" thread.

when was the last time bozo cares about something inconsequential

Bozo frequently spends D1 of games conducting surveys and opinion polls which often come across to others as inconsequential, do you not think?

his surveys and questions often relate to some process of sorting. the post I quoted appears to be just irrelevant talk about the direct messaging feature issues from last game.

[brainbomb]

I had never seen bozo engage in small talk like this.

[dargorygel]

@Jamie
I do not particularly find Maniac's first post, 'forced.' Is scum!maniac likely to post a wall as a stand-alone presentation?

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo's question suggestion seems unnecessarily complex.
We could, instead, give the questioner the option of using his power as a one shot cop.
We could all make a statement like, "I did not role scum," so that later in the week, he could find out something simple, clear, and useful.

But did you roll scum, even if you did not role it?

[Jamiet99uk]

I think the Question Asker should consider a question in the vein of what Damo has suggested, actually.

Making statements like Dargorygel is suggesting adds no value since the Question Asker is not a Lie Detector; it doesn't require any given player to have made a statement which can be verified / falsified. The question "Is Dargorygel Mafia" would return a clear yes/no result even if you, Dargorygel, had not posted at all.

[dargorygel]

Damo's question suggestion seems unnecessarily complex.
We could, instead, give the questioner the option of using his power as a one shot cop.
We could all make a statement like, "I did not role scum," so that later in the week, he could find out something simple, clear, and useful.

But did you roll scum, even if you did not role it?

touche... and a correct criticism. Too early for grammar.

But I WILL say
I did not Roll Scum.

[dargorygel]

I think the Question Asker should consider a question in the vein of what Damo has suggested, actually.

Making statements like Dargorygel is suggesting adds no value since the Question Asker is not a Lie Detector; it doesn't require any given player to have made a statement which can be verified / falsified. The question "Is Dargorygel Mafia" would return a clear yes/no result even if you, Dargorygel, had not posted at all.

hmmm.... that's probably true. My question is TOO simple.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie
I do not particularly find Maniac's first post, 'forced.' Is scum!maniac likely to post a wall as a stand-alone presentation?

In M64 his first post was not as long as this one, but it was extremely forced. You know this because you and I both commented on it while we were monitoring the thread.

You're saying his opening this time feels different to you?

[brainbomb]

I believe Jamie is town.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think the Question Asker should consider a question in the vein of what Damo has suggested, actually.

Making statements like Dargorygel is suggesting adds no value since the Question Asker is not a Lie Detector; it doesn't require any given player to have made a statement which can be verified / falsified. The question "Is Dargorygel Mafia" would return a clear yes/no result even if you, Dargorygel, had not posted at all.

hmmm.... that's probably true. My question is TOO simple.

The problem with using it as a one-shot Cop is that it gives you a 50/50 trade of a Town PR for either a single Scum Guilty or Town Clear, and nothing more.

Damo's proposed question could provide the following results, among others:

1. In the best possible outcome, it could provide three townclears, which in a game of this size would be very powerful indeed for Town

2. Or, if the answer is "yes" that there is at least one scum in the given pool of three, this means that Scum effectively cannot kill the 1 or 2 townies in that pool, because if they do so, they will out their team-mate.

[dargorygel]

@Jamie
I do not particularly find Maniac's first post, 'forced.' Is scum!maniac likely to post a wall as a stand-alone presentation?

In M64 his first post was not as long as this one, but it was extremely forced. You know this because you and I both commented on it while we were monitoring the thread.

You're saying his opening this time feels different to you?

Yes, it does. Maybe because this time I am IN the game. I would have 'preferred' more posts propping this one up. But the post itself does not seem forced to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

I believe Jamie is town.

Can you FEEL the SPIRIT of the LORD?

[dargorygel]

I think the Question Asker should consider a question in the vein of what Damo has suggested, actually.

Making statements like Dargorygel is suggesting adds no value since the Question Asker is not a Lie Detector; it doesn't require any given player to have made a statement which can be verified / falsified. The question "Is Dargorygel Mafia" would return a clear yes/no result even if you, Dargorygel, had not posted at all.

hmmm.... that's probably true. My question is TOO simple.

The problem with using it as a one-shot Cop is that it gives you a 50/50 trade of a Town PR for either a single Scum Guilty or Town Clear, and nothing more.

Damo's proposed question could provide the following results, among others:

1. In the best possible outcome, it could provide three townclears, which in a game of this size would be very powerful indeed for Town

2. Or, if the answer is "yes" that there is at least one scum in the given pool of three, this means that Scum effectively cannot kill the 1 or 2 townies in that pool, because if they do so, they will out their team-mate.

Would it be helpful for us to list which three WE would ask about, if we were the Questioner? Bozo would like that... he could make a chart.

[brainbomb]

I believe Jamie is town.

Can you FEEL the SPIRIT of the LORD?

I felt the loving embrace of your plans to eradicate me for talking too much

[Jamiet99uk]

hmmm.... that's probably true. My question is TOO simple.

The problem with using it as a one-shot Cop is that it gives you a 50/50 trade of a Town PR for either a single Scum Guilty or Town Clear, and nothing more.

Damo's proposed question could provide the following results, among others:

1. In the best possible outcome, it could provide three townclears, which in a game of this size would be very powerful indeed for Town

2. Or, if the answer is "yes" that there is at least one scum in the given pool of three, this means that Scum effectively cannot kill the 1 or 2 townies in that pool, because if they do so, they will out their team-mate.

Would it be helpful for us to list which three WE would ask about, if we were the Questioner? Bozo would like that... he could make a chart.

The lovely thing is, in my opinion, we don't even need to do that. There are only 13 players and the Question Asker knows they are not scum, so they have to pick a pool of 3x players, from a potential pool of 12. Any pool of three is likely to provide useful results.

I would propose a slightly refined question, as follows:

IN THE POOL OF <PLAYER 1>, <PLAYER 2>, AND <PLAYER 3>, IS THE NUMBER OF MAFIA GREATER THAN ZERO BUT LESS THAN 3?

If there are 1 or 2 scum in that pool, the answer is YES
If there are 0 or 3 scum in that pool, the answer is NO

I would propose that the Question Asker inputs this question to the GM today (they can change it on a later date if required).

[Jamiet99uk]

I believe Jamie is town.

Can you FEEL the SPIRIT of the LORD?

I felt the loving embrace of your plans to eradicate me for talking too much

I never formulated nor proposed any such plan.

[brainbomb]

So far my suspects are Brainbomb, Maniac, and Durga. Ifischl and Celaph are the next level down. Betcha 2 scum in that group of 5.

Glad to see nobody talking about mechanics.

im listed first. I appear to be the first thing on your mind. you dont plan to elim me?

[Jamiet99uk]

So far my suspects are Brainbomb, Maniac, and Durga. Ifischl and Celaph are the next level down. Betcha 2 scum in that group of 5.

Glad to see nobody talking about mechanics.

im listed first. I appear to be the first thing on your mind. you dont plan to elim me?

My suspicion of you is based on your behaviour regarding Kgray, which I have explained, and which you have not responded to. It's nothing to do with your post count.

[Durga]

Eye think we should discuss the questioner's question (there being nothing else to discuss).

I propose the question should be

"Is there at least one Mafia member among players X,Y and Z ?"

Where X,Y and Z are three different players not including the questioner (obviously).

@DAMO: Is there at least one Mafia member among Maniac, Brainbomb and Durga?

This is the question you wanted to discuss, so here we go, please discuss it.

Don't use this colour Jamie it's unreadable

[Jamiet99uk]

It's nice to know that Brainbomb is insta-reacting to seeing his name mentioned, rather than properly reading the thread (despite how short it is).