M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[ghug]

Bozo, your main reason for targeting me is bona made a mile per minute comment about me, then you theorized I picked bona as a recruit. I gotta say honestly, he would have been the absolute last on my list. He both lacks the capacity to stay alive reliably (I should know, i got him killed day 1 last time I was scum), strategize effectively, and I try to be cordial with folks but I'd rather skewer my left nut with a martini umbrella than invite someone with a posting style like bona's into a private mafia chat. Literally everyone would have had more perks to me than him.

You were the person I thought would be most likely picked since you were the most widely town read day 1 and also aren't an idiot. I said that when HB asked who I'd pick, and I pointed out how you wouldn't die until a nk happened, thinking I could bait someone who likes to play safe into picking you. I was wondering what you'd do when you finally showed up, and i gotta say I do think you're mafia. Your case against me is thin as they come, and you ended on me after stressing the importance of not making any errors going forward. No sense is being made there. You also paired brain and ghug together. BB is one of the more towny people around imo and you're kind of just taking ghug and bona chaos posting to smear someone you think is easy to hit. You know HB is peculiar in his ways and likely isn't coming off me, and so you're pushing me since you think it can happen and you really don't care who we kill so long as it isn't your teammate or you. Thats the vibe I'm getting off you, and it is strong. I don't know if you're the OG spy, but you're definitely not on the up and up.

##vote bozo

My pressure vote on colby wasn't doing crap anyway because everyone is voting for someone different. I dont like the yoyo no kill, I dont like the way ghug is being a dirtbag. Bona and HB are being themselves but they dont spark joy. Haze is real defensive and I kind of feel he hasn't learned to just let heat wash over him yet. Colby still seems off to me, not really seeming genuine at all, and I think he would pick bozo. I could also see haze doing it.

I am pretty fine killing bozo, ghug, colby, haze or maybe Hb. In that order of how scummy I feel they are. Bozo and ghug seem the most notably different today and are the most likely to be turned since they clearly don't give a fuck. I am going to sleep on it. I like killing either of them but I am of the opinion it is more likely they are turned and not OG spies atm.

DKing a recruited mafia is essentially a guaranteed loss for town.

Indeed, it's not great.

People thinking they can distinguish recruited mafia from OG mafia at this point of also not great, though. We're at a stage where we don't have much to go on, and suddenly flipping your read on someone after the night ended but making it the sort of scumread you shouldn't be voting for is great cover for protecting a new teammate while ostensibly distancing.

This suggests that I recruited bozo of course, so work in progress.

[ghug]

My great theory of everything at this point:

Don't kill:
bona - He's been annoyingly dumb but I stand by my townread from yesterday so I don't think he's an OG mafia at least.
brain - Good town vibes most of the game. Again plausibly recruited but I see nothing that actually points to that and he'd be a bad target.

Maybe kill:
Col7by - Just ain't much here.
Haze - brain moved me a little bit. My gut still wants to townread and I like the indignation in response to brain, but he's preferable to the top group.
Yoyo - Very meh.

Actively like killing:
bozotheclown - He's been weird. I don't necessarily understand scum motivation for that but it's also not at all like his town game.
Hambone - Inconsistencies he can't explain feel like plausibly a scumtell.
SpiritoftheRadio - The wagon on me smelled really bad yesterday and I have a hard time believing there was actually no opportunistic scum on it. Nothing really to townread in my mind.

Also, a general reminder that hunting isn't a good indicator of towniness in games with two scumteams.

[brainbomb]

##vote haze

[brainbomb]

My great theory of everything at this point:

Don't kill:
bona - He's been annoyingly dumb but I stand by my townread from yesterday so I don't think he's an OG mafia at least.
brain - Good town vibes most of the game. Again plausibly recruited but I see nothing that actually points to that and he'd be a bad target.

Maybe kill:
Col7by - Just ain't much here.
Haze - brain moved me a little bit. My gut still wants to townread and I like the indignation in response to brain, but he's preferable to the top group.
Yoyo - Very meh.

Actively like killing:
bozotheclown - He's been weird. I don't necessarily understand scum motivation for that but it's also not at all like his town game.
Hambone - Inconsistencies he can't explain feel like plausibly a scumtell.
SpiritoftheRadio - The wagon on me smelled really bad yesterday and I have a hard time believing there was actually no opportunistic scum on it. Nothing really to townread in my mind.

Also, a general reminder that hunting isn't a good indicator of towniness in games with two scumteams.

Well this is refreshing.

[ghug]

My great theory of everything at this point:

Don't kill:
bona - He's been annoyingly dumb but I stand by my townread from yesterday so I don't think he's an OG mafia at least.
brain - Good town vibes most of the game. Again plausibly recruited but I see nothing that actually points to that and he'd be a bad target.

Maybe kill:
Col7by - Just ain't much here.
Haze - brain moved me a little bit. My gut still wants to townread and I like the indignation in response to brain, but he's preferable to the top group.
Yoyo - Very meh.

Actively like killing:
bozotheclown - He's been weird. I don't necessarily understand scum motivation for that but it's also not at all like his town game.
Hambone - Inconsistencies he can't explain feel like plausibly a scumtell.
SpiritoftheRadio - The wagon on me smelled really bad yesterday and I have a hard time believing there was actually no opportunistic scum on it. Nothing really to townread in my mind.

Also, a general reminder that hunting isn't a good indicator of towniness in games with two scumteams.

Well this is refreshing.

Why?

[brainbomb]

Because it doesnt fall into a tell you have in your reads lists. Ill explain someday but for now this is a positive look for you

[ghug]

Because it doesnt fall into a tell you have in your reads lists. Ill explain someday but for now this is a positive look for you

Fuck, I don't want to have a read list tell.

[brainbomb]

Because it doesnt fall into a tell you have in your reads lists. Ill explain someday but for now this is a positive look for you

Fuck, I don't want to have a read list tell.

Not every tell needs to be revealed, this is to help me more than to help others. Selfish but if I tell you or others; youd correct it.

[brainbomb]

Haze is playing to be forgotten as soon as they leave the thread.

[ghug]

Because it doesnt fall into a tell you have in your reads lists. Ill explain someday but for now this is a positive look for you

Fuck, I don't want to have a read list tell.

Not every tell needs to be revealed, this is to help me more than to help others. Selfish but if I tell you or others; youd correct it.

Make up a reason next time at least. Early townreads often get me killed.

[Bonatogether]

Yes I used the term "180" to make it clear I was referencing the thing brain called out with the same term. I find the 180 itself questionable but also the response was a total nonanswer.

wdym

I feel like your wisdom already left you.

doubtful it was present

[Bonatogether]

Bozo, your main reason for targeting me is bona made a mile per minute comment about me, then you theorized I picked bona as a recruit. I gotta say honestly, he would have been the absolute last on my list. He both lacks the capacity to stay alive reliably (I should know, i got him killed day 1 last time I was scum), strategize effectively, and I try to be cordial with folks but I'd rather skewer my left nut with a martini umbrella than invite someone with a posting style like bona's into a private mafia chat. Literally everyone would have had more perks to me than him.

You were the person I thought would be most likely picked since you were the most widely town read day 1 and also aren't an idiot. I said that when HB asked who I'd pick, and I pointed out how you wouldn't die until a nk happened, thinking I could bait someone who likes to play safe into picking you. I was wondering what you'd do when you finally showed up, and i gotta say I do think you're mafia. Your case against me is thin as they come, and you ended on me after stressing the importance of not making any errors going forward. No sense is being made there. You also paired brain and ghug together. BB is one of the more towny people around imo and you're kind of just taking ghug and bona chaos posting to smear someone you think is easy to hit. You know HB is peculiar in his ways and likely isn't coming off me, and so you're pushing me since you think it can happen and you really don't care who we kill so long as it isn't your teammate or you. Thats the vibe I'm getting off you, and it is strong. I don't know if you're the OG spy, but you're definitely not on the up and up.

##vote bozo

My pressure vote on colby wasn't doing crap anyway because everyone is voting for someone different. I dont like the yoyo no kill, I dont like the way ghug is being a dirtbag. Bona and HB are being themselves but they dont spark joy. Haze is real defensive and I kind of feel he hasn't learned to just let heat wash over him yet. Colby still seems off to me, not really seeming genuine at all, and I think he would pick bozo. I could also see haze doing it.

I am pretty fine killing bozo, ghug, colby, haze or maybe Hb. In that order of how scummy I feel they are. Bozo and ghug seem the most notably different today and are the most likely to be turned since they clearly don't give a fuck. I am going to sleep on it. I like killing either of them but I am of the opinion it is more likely they are turned and not OG spies atm.

damn

[Bonatogether]

I think we treat this like a normal day one and start trying to kill people to see what happens.

I think the no-kill argument from D1 still applies to D2, which is one reason why I did not think that was the way to go, even if it might have statistically been the best chance for town.

I disagree. Killing mafia now doesn't entirely eliminate a team, and VCA can be fruitful.

For a bunch of diplomacy players, this group is not great at considering the balance of power.

i only play gunboat now

[Haze with a Z]

You were the one that suggested that every day is essentially a new game. Why wouldn’t you re-elavuate what the optimum strategy is based on new information and circumstances?

Can you explain the point of sleeping?

After dealing with my niece and nephew the past week, I’m almost certain it’s to create a safe space from going completely insane.

I meant sleep as in no kill tbh

[Bonatogether]

this game has higher than usual paranoia levels

trying to put things into terms i can think in, this game was essentially 'one random person dies, and there's two mafia teams that get to pick their second members'.

do we think scum changed who they were choosing based on d1? i think only if they thought someone was immaculately positioned (relative to themselves?) does d1 effect the picks. probably the recruit pool can be best discerned by who the original scum thinks would survive and (something that makes it difficult) not be recruited by the other team.

[Haze with a Z]

hard nope, you switched off no kill after advocating no kill all day, so did HB when he didn't need to. Bozo didn't fuck with the tie no kill when he wanted the kill to happen and was gunna let no kill happen. Just nope, you have the best excuse for being inconsistent because you were trying to save your skin, but nope. nope nope nope. folks are not being consistent. this is mafia, i am being ridiculous to expect this, but that is my frustration is all.

First of all I thought you were a no kill person tbh. Second of all I don’t believE my stance has changed on the idea that we should be killing so this whole statement feels like an overgeneralisation.

I reread most of Haze, I am confident he has not actually read even one of my posts in the entire thread, maybe one of the memes but not two sentences I've written back to back, and especially not the one he quoted from me. When a post ends with *sips from whiskey and delusions of grandeur* you dont get to come in and say, woah this guy overgeneralized a bit and be hailed as saying something work donkey doo. In the 2nd quote from me, I am just completely right on every statement and I am being specific, insert: *why y'all booing me when I'm right* Hannibal meme

Bozo also has seemed scummier on day 1 than I remember, I forgot about the whole letting the tie play out bullshit he pulled at EoD.

I am feeling like going back to colby since I think he is the one that chose bozo and haze is probably just disengaged town. I didnt go back and reread the brainbomb hit piece on him, but that is for tomorrow. I think bozo is a good kill no matter what though, I have reexamined and feel like he could be an OG spy now, although probably still 60% turned and 40% og spy.

You mentioned nothing about whisky in the post I quoted and I’d read it the same even if you had

[Haze with a Z]

this game has higher than usual paranoia levels

trying to put things into terms i can think in, this game was essentially 'one random person dies, and there's two mafia teams that get to pick their second members'.

do we think scum changed who they were choosing based on d1? i think only if they thought someone was immaculately positioned (relative to themselves?) does d1 effect the picks. probably the recruit pool can be best discerned by who the original scum thinks would survive and (something that makes it difficult) not be recruited by the other team.

That sounds like a good explanation tbh so yes I do end up with the paranoia every can be spy now tbh

[Haze with a Z]

Why am I getting the feeling the Brain Haze exchange was an overt attempt at distancing?

Probably because brain is one of the og spies and had nothing better to do than attack me

[Bonatogether]

this game has higher than usual paranoia levels

trying to put things into terms i can think in, this game was essentially 'one random person dies, and there's two mafia teams that get to pick their second members'.

do we think scum changed who they were choosing based on d1? i think only if they thought someone was immaculately positioned (relative to themselves?) does d1 effect the picks. probably the recruit pool can be best discerned by who the original scum thinks would survive and (something that makes it difficult) not be recruited by the other team.

That sounds like a good explanation tbh so yes I do end up with the paranoia every can be spy now tbh

lmao? in any game anyone could be scum. what are you talking about?

[Haze with a Z]

Haze is playing to be forgotten as soon as they leave the thread.

Tbh the way you talk I’d be surprised if there is someone in the game who couldn’t write a paragraph about me