Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

Vecna continues post dump for almost an uninterrupted 2 pages. This is not scummy as I do this kind of thing too.

but noticeably absent from a single vecna post is any acknowledgement of hotsukes post.

[Vecna]

Yes, didn't saw it before, this Mafia role is pretty useless now.

its actually extremely strong because its gonna cause paranoia like bothibg else

But he only steal from myslinched people if I understood it right, so really unlikely to steal a useful power.

just watch and see. the fact it can be activated at will is gonna have people go nuts over voting records

[Vecna]

emc is pretty blatantly town here. that forced reason by damo......yikes

Bad reasoning isn't always equals to scum reasoning.

so you think someone would genuinely think that emc would say "nope, noone is more scum than me, because im scum myself"?

[Vecna]

Currently the following would be my lynch pool:
bo_sox
Chaqa
emc
flash
Mike
MoscowFleet
Vecna
worcej

Thats a pretty bad non-resonating lynchpool right there. Me and Worcej are town. And the rest is like a list of people that havent done shit.

I kinda like that lynch pool. Vecna seems townie, and of course several of them are just lurkers who could easily come off the list with a few posts, but otherwise, I'm on board.

well noone ever accused you of being an exciting player. the scum arr active this game. its just that most people prefer to go fort je route of least resistance instead of attributing some measure of skill to the scumteam and actually hunt for fakers.

[Vecna]

so vecna is claiming masons with worcej

ill shove a brick in your mouth anyday

[brainbomb]

ok so neph tells me that masons chat is always open
he says they dont know each others identity until theyre in the mason chat
once in the chat they can say anythinh to each other even identity


so itshotsuke claims he has no idea whats going on in game and needs a TLDR
then claims hes a mason, which would have someone readily able to give tldr

[Vecna]

vecna has unpopular opinions. and hes not role played or pretended to be julius ceasar. this means vecna is town

That was my favorite game of all times.

it certainly was enjoyable. next time im doing a gimmick ill be town though

[Vecna]

emc is pretty blatantly town here. that forced reason by damo......yikes

Forced reason, yes. That doesn't make EMC town.

Scum!damo probs thought he needed a novel reason to hop on the EMC wagon.

damo seems pretty not scummy. I cant believe vecna was serious here. had to just be trolling people

I was actually. damo is damn timid and not very genuine so far imo. deff a scum candidate. he can feel free to town it up and write some posts with full coherent sentences or thoughts

[brainbomb]

please just at least try to give a half assed speculation on if you think itshotsuke is really a mason.

it looks like a mistake on his part.

[Vecna]

Thats a pretty bad non-resonating lynchpool right there. Me and Worcej are town. And the rest is like a list of people that havent done shit

He immediately suspects vapor for voting worcej

then says

Vecna
Day-1 35:03
page 16 / orig
↑worcej: "Would I? Because my last scum game went up in FLAMES! I drew all possible scans on D1 lol..."
yeah i was scum with wircej recently. it wasnt pretty. not whatsiever. this feels strongly town worcestershire to mr

Vecna
Day-1 29:24
page 19 / orig
↑worcej: "Yes, but at the distinct cost of our PRs.

Also, if you havent noticed, town as SUCCCCCKED at actually finding a scum la..."
I sense a strong correlation with my presence

I got the vibe they were the same align and possibly masons

even if you were right, do you really think its smart to bring it up just so can look good?

[Vecna]

even weirder the masons do not know each others identity.
how would that work? like theyre in a QT but cant identify themself to each other?

yes if only they could like, tell eachother a codeword.

worcej, the codeword is {please refer to the qt}

[brainbomb]

right, so itshotsuke is lying.

thanks. thats what you needed to say

[Vecna]

worcej has felt like a lock wolf the moment he opened his scummy mouth this game

nope

[rdrivera2005]

emc is pretty blatantly town here. that forced reason by damo......yikes

Bad reasoning isn't always equals to scum reasoning.

so you think someone would genuinely think that emc would say "nope, noone is more scum than me, because im scum myself"?

No, but I think Damo could think this (sorry Damo).

[Vecna]

Incoming grumpy old man post. Please read.

I feel as if mafia has evolved on this site. When I began playing, there were a lot of longwinded, say-nothing type of posts, but among the stacks of long posts thrown on top of each other that nobody actually read or cared about were occasionally good bits that town could take advantage of. In this thread, and in other more recent games, it seems like the vast majority of posts are people quoting someone that somebody else said and then adding their one or two lines of input on top of it. It's not totally a bad thing. The posts that matter are a lot easier to find because I can just gloss over all the banter and actually stop at something that is, oh, I don't know, more than a long tweet in length. But it isn't great to be missing out on so much information. If those who are participating in these back-and-forth conversations are gaining something from it, the rest of us need to know somehow. Hopefully if I have to play catch up I'll be catching up on theories and cases, or coherent plans to get to theories and cases, instead of one-off conversations that make no sense to anyone but the poster themselves.

Given this, I have not come across all that many posts that fit my unnecessarily pedantic criteria for what I care to read, so there isn't very much to say.

Here's a list of things I think so far:

Mass claim: wtf no
Lynch lurkers: maybe
Discuss randomness of setup: yes

Mass claiming is beyond stupid. Besides the fact that this setup has a pretty clear mechanism to prevent it from being successful and that drawing out our PRs before the turns that they can actually use their powers have come is not a good thing, it's just not fun. I'm not here to solve a math problem; I want to play the game.

Lynching lurkers might be a smart plan, but it needs to be done cohesively. A smart mafia player in a setup like this one is probably burying themselves in the muck right now. The worst thing that they can do for themselves is draw undue attention their way, which is why, for example, I think bozo is probably town even though he's the one that keeps proposing stupid things. There should be less attention focused on those who are coming up with ideas and trying to direct traffic, so to speak, and more attention focused on those who are either not posting at all, doing what I did last night and posting just to get something down on paper, or simply following in the tracks of others who are laying bricks for them. Personally, I find the latter is the easiest way to track down lurking scum, because eventually playing by either of the former will stand out even if it doesn't on day 1. When I reread day 1, that's something I plan to look for.

This setup is clearly not randomly drawn. Someone pointed this out earlier and it got swept away in a wave of spam. That implies to me that this setup is drawn for the optimal gameplay. I don't like gaming the GMs, but they've brought this one on themselves. If we can deduce the most likely town and mafia combinations of roles, we can start to narrow down the number of fake claims that the mafia team can employ. It might not work until we have dead players to look at and might not really prove valuable until the later days in the game, but if a pattern emerges one way or another we should aim to be able to recognize it and narrow down this setup.

Hey Bo. I randomly decided I like you this game. carry on

[rdrivera2005]

worcej has felt like a lock wolf the moment he opened his scummy mouth this game

nope

I am feeling a bit bored. So, Vecna, considering Ezio isn't playing who do you think should be hip fired D1?

[Vecna]

I'll be back tomorrow with time...
First, I was trying to be funny, and no one noticed. I was posting with one word. I suppose it says something about what folk expect from me.
It was kind of fun. Mostly it was just reactive posts. I DID have a couple of conversations (accusing Percy Williams of hedging, for instance) that were fun with single words. It actually made me think more about articulation than I am used to...

Did I miss the part where anyone asked?

A couple of obvious things to comment on:
Mass claim... while I do think that such a claim MIGHT POSSIBLY help us... mostly the concept has too many faulty underlying beliefs. It assumes a randomness of role that I don't think the GM's would do. It assumes that we will have LOTS of scum making false claims, when there is no reason for them to do so. I think bozo also is assuming (he lists this as a 'pro') that multiple fakeclaiming by lynchable scum is common. I think it happens maybe once or twice per game. So we MIGHT draw out a couple of scum... but mostly, we just give scum a map.

But I am not happy with how hard bozo is pushing for this. He seems to have some hope that he has a chance to succeed. I think bozo is smarter than that. So why does he not back off? Or did I miss a retraction?

Would a retraction make a difference to you? Would him backing off making a difference to you? It seems like you're ready to erase all of his sins the moment he says the magic word.

That post is weird.

I didnt feel like quoting another wall of text, but im fully in agreement with bo here. My randomizer is awesome. bo is awesome this game. yay.

[Vecna]

Vecna does a post dump after Hotsuke claims mason.
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... id=w:90047


This could be vecna trying to bury scums chernobyl moment of this game. newb scum accidentally claiming a last resort fake claim option.

yes, i always plan my day and catchup posts around my newby scum teammates, thank you for noticing how considerate of a teammate I am.

[Vecna]

Vecna continues post dump for almost an uninterrupted 2 pages. This is not scummy as I do this kind of thing too.

but noticeably absent from a single vecna post is any acknowledgement of hotsukes post.

why on earth did it merit aknowledgement? I can do nothing with such posts, a d it sure wont influence how I read someone.

[Nephthys]

##GM NOTE

Jamiet99uk HAS REPLACED Mike213