MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Clarification, since iirc Vapor/Darg(?)+ maybe someone else as well as me was understanding "Bozo's AI says *players* are *alignment*" as Bozo putting his reads in an unorthodox format/trolling xd

so now that he's clarified, I know to not take them as reads, but just sharing info


and @Bozo, that's really cool :D
maybe I can bribe one of my friends to do something like that

But, what are your thoughts? Not the AI ones lol

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Interesting read, Vecna usually tires of being townread cause this will lead to him being nightkilled early. I'm finding Vecna more or less the same, the tone and the way he's phrasing things gives off an 'I'mma be real with you, guys' vibe

if he's scum, then I'll be surprised. Imitating the same detective style and speech is a skill

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

[Vecna]

EMC, what exactly you expect to get from this question other then appear to be participating?

Clarification, since iirc Vapor/Darg(?)+ maybe someone else as well as me was understanding "Bozo's AI says *players* are *alignment*" as Bozo putting his reads in an unorthodox format/trolling xd

so now that he's clarified, I know to not take them as reads, but just sharing info


and @Bozo, that's really cool :D
maybe I can bribe one of my friends to do something like that

But, what are your thoughts? Not the AI ones lol

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

When have you ever agreed with my reads? Maybe instead of constantly being suspicious of my reads, try and understand where im coming from.

With which read/comment are you even disagreeing?

[Vecna]

Clarification, since iirc Vapor/Darg(?)+ maybe someone else as well as me was understanding "Bozo's AI says *players* are *alignment*" as Bozo putting his reads in an unorthodox format/trolling xd

so now that he's clarified, I know to not take them as reads, but just sharing info


and @Bozo, that's really cool :D
maybe I can bribe one of my friends to do something like that

But, what are your thoughts? Not the AI ones lol

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Which reads you don't agree? I agree with most of his reads to be honest, disagree only about emc.

Im not sure theres much to even disagree with on EMC. Surface level he once again seems extremely towny in his free speech aproach.

Contrary to most people though, who still keep treating him like some adorable newbie, I actually feel he's one of the better/more charismatic players we have on the site. And im quite certain with his style (that really appeals to people) he'd be a very dangerous scum player that is very capable of imitating his town style.

The only thing that irks me is he seems to have a lot less attention to small details, but that might not have any true significance.

[Vecna]

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Interesting read, Vecna usually tires of being townread cause this will lead to him being nightkilled early. I'm finding Vecna more or less the same, the tone and the way he's phrasing things gives off an 'I'mma be real with you, guys' vibe

if he's scum, then I'll be surprised. Imitating the same detective style and speech is a skill

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

[bozotheclown]

Clarification, since iirc Vapor/Darg(?)+ maybe someone else as well as me was understanding "Bozo's AI says *players* are *alignment*" as Bozo putting his reads in an unorthodox format/trolling xd

so now that he's clarified, I know to not take them as reads, but just sharing info


and @Bozo, that's really cool :D
maybe I can bribe one of my friends to do something like that

But, what are your thoughts? Not the AI ones lol

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Which reads you don't agree? I agree with most of his reads to be honest, disagree only about emc.

It would be easier to cite examples if the bot was working. For one, there is this:

If todays top wagons can be between Ezio, Ike and Damo thatd make me pretty content actually.

I do not like any of those wagons. Then there was a fairly strong town read of Jamie, and what I thought was an early scum read of e.m.c^42. I thought you agreed with Vecna about e.m.c^42, what do you now disagree about?

[bozotheclown]

Clarification, since iirc Vapor/Darg(?)+ maybe someone else as well as me was understanding "Bozo's AI says *players* are *alignment*" as Bozo putting his reads in an unorthodox format/trolling xd

so now that he's clarified, I know to not take them as reads, but just sharing info


and @Bozo, that's really cool :D
maybe I can bribe one of my friends to do something like that

But, what are your thoughts? Not the AI ones lol

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

When have you ever agreed with my reads? Maybe instead of constantly being suspicious of my reads, try and understand where im coming from.

With which read/comment are you even disagreeing?

I just answered your second question in a response to rdrivera. For the first question, I would say I typically agree with points you are making more than I do this game.

[thamrick]

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Interesting read, Vecna usually tires of being townread cause this will lead to him being nightkilled early. I'm finding Vecna more or less the same, the tone and the way he's phrasing things gives off an 'I'mma be real with you, guys' vibe

if he's scum, then I'll be surprised. Imitating the same detective style and speech is a skill

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

Isn't it like, Vecna's meta that he obv-towns as town and obv-scums by not obv-towning as scum?

But... bozo gonna bozo gonna bozo

Also, why does disagreeing with someone = scumread? I kinda had this argument with Vecna last game, ironically

[bozotheclown]

Interesting read, Vecna usually tires of being townread cause this will lead to him being nightkilled early. I'm finding Vecna more or less the same, the tone and the way he's phrasing things gives off an 'I'mma be real with you, guys' vibe

if he's scum, then I'll be surprised. Imitating the same detective style and speech is a skill

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

I am not sure what this is suppose to convey, but you just made a similar statement about emc in the preceding post.

[Vecna]

I think what Bozo is really just trying to do is show us he's argumentative so we (correctly?) townread him

And yes, playing scum is fucking boring, which means meme-time

[thamrick]

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Which reads you don't agree? I agree with most of his reads to be honest, disagree only about emc.

It would be easier to cite examples if the bot was working. For one, there is this:

If todays top wagons can be between Ezio, Ike and Damo thatd make me pretty content actually.

I do not like any of those wagons. Then there was a fairly strong town read of Jamie, and what I thought was an early scum read of e.m.c^42. I thought you agreed with Vecna about e.m.c^42, what do you now disagree about?

For example, rather than just disagreeing with the wagons - why do you think Vecna is fine with these wagons? Do you think he scumreads all three? What's his motivation for wanting these wagons? Do you have strong reads on any of these players and why?

[Vecna]

Youre suddenly very involved Thamrick. More time available compared to last few games?

[rdrivera2005]

I have not found too much suspicious, I think the scum is doing a good job blending in so far. I do find Vecna somewhat suspect, since I do not really agree with a number of his reads/comments. Then there was the thing where Vecna explained why he should not be an early scum NK.

Which reads you don't agree? I agree with most of his reads to be honest, disagree only about emc.

It would be easier to cite examples if the bot was working. For one, there is this:

If todays top wagons can be between Ezio, Ike and Damo thatd make me pretty content actually.

I do not like any of those wagons. Then there was a fairly strong town read of Jamie, and what I thought was an early scum read of e.m.c^42. I thought you agreed with Vecna about e.m.c^42, what do you now disagree about?

I don't have a solid scumread on EMC, but also don't have a townread, I find he isn't giving much content like last games. After Vecna's last message, I think we probably have the same feeling about him. I don't fully agree with lynching Ezio, but he being a wagon is pretty obvious after claiming Alien.

[thamrick]

Youre suddenly very involved Thamrick. More time available compared to last few games?

It'll come and go in waves. Today is my day off work. I work every other weekend so I have a day off in the middle of the week. Days I work, activity is very limited since I don't have time at work. I feel like I was moderately more involved last game as well. Two games ago I felt pretty put off by the spam and negativity so my activity was definitely down.

[bozotheclown]

Interesting read, Vecna usually tires of being townread cause this will lead to him being nightkilled early. I'm finding Vecna more or less the same, the tone and the way he's phrasing things gives off an 'I'mma be real with you, guys' vibe

if he's scum, then I'll be surprised. Imitating the same detective style and speech is a skill

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

Isn't it like, Vecna's meta that he obv-towns as town and obv-scums by not obv-towning as scum?

But... bozo gonna bozo gonna bozo

Also, why does disagreeing with someone = scumread? I kinda had this argument with Vecna last game, ironically

I do not think I have ever seen Vecna play as scum, so I do not know his scum meta, but I am confident he would try to duplicate his town meta.

Also, of course it is possible for two town to disagree, but I think it is useful to be suspicious of things players say that you do not agree with, since the scum are forced to fabricate things to say.

[thamrick]

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

Isn't it like, Vecna's meta that he obv-towns as town and obv-scums by not obv-towning as scum?

But... bozo gonna bozo gonna bozo

Also, why does disagreeing with someone = scumread? I kinda had this argument with Vecna last game, ironically

I do not think I have ever seen Vecna play as scum, so I do not know his scum meta, but I am confident he would try to duplicate his town meta.

Also, of course it is possible for two town to disagree, but I think it is useful to be suspicious of things players say that you do not agree with, since the scum are forced to fabricate things to say.

In that respect, yes. In the respect of basing an entire scumread off of disagreeing - I completely disagree.

So are you saying that you think Vecna's lynch pool is coming across as forced?

[bo_sox48]

Hi.

[bozotheclown]

Which reads you don't agree? I agree with most of his reads to be honest, disagree only about emc.

It would be easier to cite examples if the bot was working. For one, there is this:

If todays top wagons can be between Ezio, Ike and Damo thatd make me pretty content actually.

I do not like any of those wagons. Then there was a fairly strong town read of Jamie, and what I thought was an early scum read of e.m.c^42. I thought you agreed with Vecna about e.m.c^42, what do you now disagree about?

For example, rather than just disagreeing with the wagons - why do you think Vecna is fine with these wagons? Do you think he scumreads all three? What's his motivation for wanting these wagons? Do you have strong reads on any of these players and why?

I am not sure what these questions are an example of. However, if Vecna is town, I assume he thinks there is at least a chance each of these three are not town. If he is scum, he is agreeing with some obvious lynch candidates. RagingIke and Ezio are basically trying to draw votes.

[Vecna]

And im sure neither would ever think to use the "too scum to be actual scum" tactic to later claim they were just "reaction testing" for towncred. Way too many scum try this and get away with it, so a bunch of suspicion (and a wagon) is indeed exactly what I want.

Im obviously not 100% sure if either is using it, but I think the odds of Ezio doing this gambit as scum are vastly higher than doing it as town after observing his new townstyle the last few games.

[Vecna]

And the fact that my vote is on Bozo of those three is not coincidental

[bozotheclown]

Isn't it like, Vecna's meta that he obv-towns as town and obv-scums by not obv-towning as scum?

But... bozo gonna bozo gonna bozo

Also, why does disagreeing with someone = scumread? I kinda had this argument with Vecna last game, ironically

I do not think I have ever seen Vecna play as scum, so I do not know his scum meta, but I am confident he would try to duplicate his town meta.

Also, of course it is possible for two town to disagree, but I think it is useful to be suspicious of things players say that you do not agree with, since the scum are forced to fabricate things to say.

In that respect, yes. In the respect of basing an entire scumread off of disagreeing - I completely disagree.

So are you saying that you think Vecna's lynch pool is coming across as forced?

On day 1 I think it is as good as anything else to base a read on. I do not like Vecna's lynch pool because I think they are all more likely town.