MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

Oh just as I say that he switches onto Maniac – I don't hate the idea of a Maniac dk but I don't like, well, any of the people on the wagon currently.

HR is townread, that's just a lot of effort to pay as scum when it would be hard to make a case against scum for laziness next to people like me and people even lower activity like me

Yea jasnah is an alien

[brainbomb]

@ brain bomb You should start a bunny wagon, I like to see town expressing their opinions and providing opportunities.

I would join a bunny wagon if one became viable. However as yet there are no bunny votes and three celaph votes which I don't mind.

[brainbomb]

I'm no way voting HR in recognition of the great service of a post he did a while back and I doubt this counterwagon in particular is going to have an extraordinary amount of success

[brainbomb]

In fact I'd go so far as to say I am factually certain that kgray is scum and you should just sheep me now

So vote Ezio?? There are enough votes on Ezio that it'll go through if you join. Disastrous if today ends in a tie again

Get rid of the guy who refused to kill anyone D1 and now is totally absent EOD D2 while being lead wagon for a long time. Don't let people get away with such cheese. How shameful is it if people just let attention get pulled away somewhere else when could have taken out someone with a clear cc and logic of being scum?

jasnah frustrated that HR wont try for ezio because she really wants to ensure HR doesnt become a runaway wagon but HR is staying confident that itll be fine

[Bonatogether]

What do you disagree with then? My underlying assumptions (which I laid out in the first post, with reasons and everything), or how I go about using them?

I'm not sure where your expected play claims are coming from at all. Like literally I can't see any reason that alien mafia sk or town would play the way you wrote so the criteria is busted to begin with. Especially town being less invested..like sure some low energy VT who just wants to be carried by me sure, but town have pretty good reason to be engaged during the day. I have no QT to gossip in and as you know I have no irl friends so if I want to talk to people the main thread is my only place to go.

But why do you think they are wrong? What part of the logic that "aliens can't win by nks, so they need to win by dks, but being nked hurts them, so they dont want to draw nks while still directing dks, so they're likely to be medium-activity people pushing already existing wagons" is wrong?

[jasnah]

Vote me @brain bomb. 1v1 me see how far it gets you. I love dispatching challengers

Like I told the other one, I could lead several successful flash wagon on you before you even get more than one person to vote me

[Bonatogether]

What do you disagree with then? My underlying assumptions (which I laid out in the first post, with reasons and everything), or how I go about using them?

I'm not sure where your expected play claims are coming from at all. Like literally I can't see any reason that alien mafia sk or town would play the way you wrote so the criteria is busted to begin with. Especially town being less invested..like sure some low energy VT who just wants to be carried by me sure, but town have pretty good reason to be engaged during the day. I have no QT to gossip in and as you know I have no irl friends so if I want to talk to people the main thread is my only place to go.

But why do you think they are wrong? What part of the logic that "aliens can't win by nks, so they need to win by dks, but being nked hurts them, so they dont want to draw nks while still directing dks, so they're likely to be medium-activity people pushing already existing wagons" is wrong?

Like I want you to say why I'm wrong, not just that I am

[Bonatogether]

Vote me @brain bomb. 1v1 me see how far it gets you. I love dispatching challengers

Like I told the other one, I could lead several successful flash wagon on you before you even get more than one person to vote me

##vote jasnah

[BunnyGo]

Vote me @brain bomb. 1v1 me see how far it gets you. I love dispatching challengers

Like I told the other one, I could lead several successful flash wagon on you before you even get more than one person to vote me

##vote jasnah

LOL, I was literally typing that. Thankfully we have better options tomorrow. But if it's between those two, no contest.

[damo666]

I don't see a way that HR could have called the fact that Macca would have something to report unless:

1) Aliens have probe
2) Macca is alien

In case 1: the only reason to not probe Damo is the aliens tried to kill him. In this case, either we have NO mafia/SK team, or Macca is mafia/SK (or was target of another NK...unlikely)

In case 2: Macca is alien.

Maybe alien probed Macca in a desparate attempt to get HR read as jailer (especially if an alien had discarded jailer).

Agreed. Do you think aliens tried to kill you? If so...no mafia/sk kill last night for some reason.

I don't know why maf would no kill so I assume either mafia tried to kill me or there is no mafia.

Given there was one kill N1 and no save claim and considering unlikely alien would use their one shot N1 there is very probably no SK or no Mafia. There being apparently only 1 attempt last night strengthens this supposition.

I suspect maf killed Bozo N1 and tried to kill me N2, there is no SK and aliens have been holding their kill.

[brainbomb]

I'd say emc and everyone behind (Vecna, jas, cel, and HR) are at least someone sus. Jas is the most townie of the lot currently to me.

You're not living in reality if you would describe HR as only "some[what] sus"

quite a transition here.

[Donny Dude]

jasnah - I concur that I feel she'd play this way no matter which alignment she rolled, from all I've seen of her presence on the rest of the forums & the discords. I suspect it's going to get her a lot of pressure in the midgame but her vote pattern was decent and I haven't found her thought processes that hard to follow, even if she doesn't explain everything. Slight town.

Only mention of Jasnah outside of a vca post and a d3 she does not understand how to play the game post.

[kgray]

I'd say emc and everyone behind (Vecna, jas, cel, and HR) are at least someone sus. Jas is the most townie of the lot currently to me.

You're not living in reality if you would describe HR as only "some[what] sus"

quite a transition here.

ghug made an equally speedy transition

[brainbomb]

HR looks orders of magnitude worse than anyone rn. Can vig pop him tonight and save us all trouble pls?

Otherwise I'm leaning town on celaph and kgray and still think Ezio can be scum, there's nothing necessarily rules it out here

This sort of tells me that the aliens were aware that there isnt a one shot vig or that they just no longer cared if there was

[BunnyGo]

Maybe alien probed Macca in a desparate attempt to get HR read as jailer (especially if an alien had discarded jailer).

Agreed. Do you think aliens tried to kill you? If so...no mafia/sk kill last night for some reason.

I don't know why maf would no kill so I assume either mafia tried to kill me or there is no mafia.

Given there was one kill N1 and no save claim and considering unlikely alien would use their one shot N1 there is very probably no SK or no Mafia. There being apparently only 1 attempt last night strengthens this supposition.

I suspect maf killed Bozo N1 and tried to kill me N2, there is no SK and aliens have been holding their kill.

Ah yes. That too makes sense.

If the aliens *did* try to kill you last night, do you think Macca was pressured to claim RB there? They did delay a while. Could be the mafia killer. Something to consider as the game progresses.

[brainbomb]

YOU TIE YOU FRY

NO MERCY

You've literally never played this game before

This feels like faked distancing

[BunnyGo]

Oh! I've had this song in my head since the EOD.

https://youtu.be/bdneye4pzMw?t=65

[Donny Dude]

I doubt HR would require or be receptive to coaching were any offered

How would Jasnah know this?

[kgray]

I have not read anything, but I realised that I forgot to put in a vote last night.

##VOTE celaph

There was something good about a flip here...

I'll read the rest when I'm less tired.

Did you really wake up early in the morning just because you remembered you hadn't voted?

I don't think HR gets this defensive over Macca voting for his teammate celaph, and I definitely don't think HR calls out his teammate Macca like this.

[brainbomb]

I doubt HR would require or be receptive to coaching were any offered

How would Jasnah know this?

ghug vec or maniac pick your alien pardner