MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

EXPLAIN THY CHOICES

[Vecna]

##vote Maniac, I changed my mind.

MY MUSE ALSO SEES WITH CLARITY.

CEASAR FEELS STRENGTHENED IN HIS BELIEVES.

BY JUPITORS COCK, LET IT BE DONE

[BunnyGo]

it is interesting that HR knew when macca would be on without asking.

bob anything to say on that?

I don’t want to get into this now, just noting for later that I find using irl information much less in the spirit of this game than information available from the medium of the game.

[BunnyGo]

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

....

Anyone want to claim doc saved?
Anyone want to CC the jailor claim?
Anyone else want to claim RB?

If not, allow me to spell out the possibilities with no judgement/weightings by me:

Class 1: (HR is telling the truth about stuff)

A) Macca is mafia set to perform kill last night
B) Macca was target of NK last night
C) There was no NK attempt last night

Class 2: (HR is lying about being the jailor, but DID manage to RB Macca)

A) HR is the alien prober
B) HR is the mafia JOAT and someone else RBd ghug

Class 3: (HR is lying about being the jailor and DID NOT RB Macca)

A) HR and Macca are on the same team and planned this
B) HR knew that Macca was the NK target and set this up knowing that Macca was jailed/saved by someone


I think that's most of the likely ones I may have missed something.

You forgot the possibility that doc saved the NK target.

See “if not” above.

[BunnyGo]

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

First, why should someone claim docsave? Until now there was really no reason, and there still isn't a particularly good one. Second, why would prober be stupid not to RB damo? It has been (unproductively) stated multiple times what damo's role is and alien prober would not have any real need to RB. But now I'm finding myself slightly less convinced that HR is scum and maybe that he is just the worst town player of all time, and I hate it.

I agree with some of this, but disagree about the nightssve. I see no reason anyone should be sitting on the fact they were nightsaved.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Maniac, I changed my mind.

I mean...i see it, but is it really today's kill?

Of course not, but myself being on or off of HR makes no difference as to whether he lives or dies, so might as well just sit here. Also, he's much more entertaining if he thinks he has chance at survival.

Ok ##vote maniac.

[BobMcBob]

it is interesting that HR knew when macca would be on without asking.

bob anything to say on that?

I don't recall there being anything unusual. Macca has had a consistent schedule in this game, I think most people would assume activity at a certain time. I also don't believe he was ever certain of a time Macca would be on?

[brainbomb]

it is interesting that HR knew when macca would be on without asking.

bob anything to say on that?

I don’t want to get into this now, just noting for later that I find using irl information much less in the spirit of this game than information available from the medium of the game.

coming from the guy who watched players compulsively to the point of seeing who sent the GMs private messages at night. Yea youre a real upstanding individual.

[brainbomb]

where would we be without you as our moral compass

[BobMcBob]

it is interesting that HR knew when macca would be on without asking.

bob anything to say on that?

I don’t want to get into this now, just noting for later that I find using irl information much less in the spirit of this game than information available from the medium of the game.

Yeah, I agree, not really sure how I should deal with that to be honest. I can't not have an advanced knowledge of their schedule, but I should try to factor it into the way I play less.

[BobMcBob]

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

First, why should someone claim docsave? Until now there was really no reason, and there still isn't a particularly good one. Second, why would prober be stupid not to RB damo? It has been (unproductively) stated multiple times what damo's role is and alien prober would not have any real need to RB. But now I'm finding myself slightly less convinced that HR is scum and maybe that he is just the worst town player of all time, and I hate it.

I agree with some of this, but disagree about the nightssve. I see no reason anyone should be sitting on the fact they were nightsaved.

Probably unwise? But I can definitely see that somebody *would* be sitting on that information, and wouldn't count it out of the equation by any means. Is it safe to say that if you were saved last night you should claim now?

[damo666]

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

....

Anyone want to claim doc saved?
Anyone want to CC the jailor claim?
Anyone else want to claim RB?

If not, allow me to spell out the possibilities with no judgement/weightings by me:

Class 1: (HR is telling the truth about stuff)

A) Macca is mafia set to perform kill last night
B) Macca was target of NK last night
C) There was no NK attempt last night

Class 2: (HR is lying about being the jailor, but DID manage to RB Macca)

A) HR is the alien prober
B) HR is the mafia JOAT and someone else RBd ghug

Class 3: (HR is lying about being the jailor and DID NOT RB Macca)

A) HR and Macca are on the same team and planned this
B) HR knew that Macca was the NK target and set this up knowing that Macca was jailed/saved by someone


I think that's most of the likely ones I may have missed something.

Under class 1 explain why there can't be a kill attempt not involving Macca?

[Vecna]

WISE CEASAR PROPOSES THE FOLLOWING:

CLEARLY THESE INBRED TRIBES OF BARBARIANS HAVE RESORTING TO WARRING EACHOTHER DURING THE DARK TIMES. THEY HAVE SABOTAGED EACHOTHER. THEY HAVE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE THE OTHER CHIEFTAINS TENT SLEEPS.

LET THEM KILL EACHOTHER. LET THEM SORT EACHOTHER OUT. IF THEY WANT THIS DISRUPTIVE POWER TO STOP, THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF IT THEMSELVES.

LET US INSTEAD EXECUTE THE LOWLY CRIMINAL BY THE NAME OF MANIAC.

RALLY TO ME, MY BRAVE COALITION.

EMC, I PROMOTE THEE TO IMPERIAL PREATOR. BE THE VOICE AND SWORD OF THE REPUBLIC.

SENATOR BUNNY, I ANNOINT THEE PONTIFEX MAXIMUM. BE THE CONSCIENCE OF THE REPUBLIC.

DE NOBIS FABULA NARRATUR

[damo666]

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

I repeat

The only thing I know about celaph's alignment is he is not SK.

Now work it out.

My head hurts.

Bless.

[brainbomb]

we need 4 more to hammer. lets move this bullshit along the thread is already a bunch of roleplay shit

[brainbomb]

HR is clearly dying and is proably the alien prober

[BunnyGo]

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

....

Anyone want to claim doc saved?
Anyone want to CC the jailor claim?
Anyone else want to claim RB?

If not, allow me to spell out the possibilities with no judgement/weightings by me:

Class 1: (HR is telling the truth about stuff)

A) Macca is mafia set to perform kill last night
B) Macca was target of NK last night
C) There was no NK attempt last night

Class 2: (HR is lying about being the jailor, but DID manage to RB Macca)

A) HR is the alien prober
B) HR is the mafia JOAT and someone else RBd ghug

Class 3: (HR is lying about being the jailor and DID NOT RB Macca)

A) HR and Macca are on the same team and planned this
B) HR knew that Macca was the NK target and set this up knowing that Macca was jailed/saved by someone


I think that's most of the likely ones I may have missed something.

Under class 1 explain why there can't be a kill attempt not involving Macca?

I am assuming with “if not” that nobody has a doc save to claim. So I suppose there could have been another NK attempt AND another RB...this would be weird.

[damo666]

Why have we not finished his hammer?

If HR was really Jailer, why would he not use that protective role on any of the multiple exposed claims, one of his strongest townreads being a claimed VT he’s already saved once D2 with the tie?

Instead we are to buy he selected a lukewarm read to jail, that the read also happened to be mafia, AND was the one performing the NK.


Nah fam, hammer this out. Our best case here is HR is mafia with no scumgov in play. More that likely scum holstered.

To not block them acting?

[Maniac]

I made a mistake. I didn't account for psychotrooper.

Why you voting Macca? It is far more likely that being roleblocked and the lack of a kill are unrelated than the roleblock of a scum kill. Even if it were related it could RB of day vig. Your vote does not make sense.

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

I haven’t forgotten anything. There are more than one investigative roles. Damo666 has made a statement that Celaph was NOT alien. And now says there is a Psychotrooper in play. I can see how he would be able to verify the second statement. My contention was that if Damo was telling the truth then Celaph must be Alien. Damo666 now says all he knows is Celaph isn’t the SK which leaves me scratching my head tbh.

[BunnyGo]

HR is clearly dying and is proably the alien prober

If he flips jailor, what conclusions about Macca do you draw?