Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[worcej]

I really don't understand the objection from worcej gugh and Fox to my plan.

I have demonstrated that it is waterproof even if I am the alien.

I am now very much of the opinion that those 3 are the 3 scum.

One of you have to squeal.

I don't like your plan because I don't see how this helps town.

You're counting on the scum deciding to throw one of their two last players into the fire to coordinate, assuming they even explicitly know who the alien is.

They got no option unless they want to lose.

This isn't necessarily true.

We have no actual idea what information or resources the scum team have currently and handing the vote over to them is not wise.

[damo666]

@Fox what was your N5 action?

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle is now obv-scumming here. He slipped up with his Shaman claim, and now he is coming up with excuses for why the Mafia don't have to co-operate with Town. Scum scum scum scum scum.

Seriously, you're the one always going about not voting for un-cc'd PR claimants. I can't help it if you're making a mockery of yourself with this.

We can perhaps resolve your claim if you wait for a GM to answer your call. You very clearly want to avoid that, however, because you're hammering. Your claim is therefore totally insincere, it appears to me. It has all the value of a claim made by a drunken Brainbomb in the middle of the night.

Yes, I totally, reasonably, very much expect half of the rest of game to endhammer with me on the same wagon before a GM shows up. That is a thing I really do think is going to happen.

[worcej]

If any of Fox worcej or ghug are town I am ashamed of them.

Your level of theatrics are noted.

I'm on the 'flip the dude who's scanned Alien that's in the Alien pool' because that for sure buys us another day and if we're wrong, we don't auto-lose either.

[Foxcastle]

It's entirely possible the scum team held their kill and don't actually know who the alien is, as well. I'm not sure how likely it is, but if they're as town-friendly as Damo seems to think, why wouldn't they that?

[Jamiet99uk]

Putting ScumCastle to one side, here's my thinking on Damo's proposal:

What POSSIBLE motivation would the real Alien have for coming up with a plan like this? As far as the Alien knows, the scum DO have the potential to out them. Damo's gambit has no upside for the Alien if it comes off.

Unless the Alien knows Scum did NOT target them.... somehow.

##CALL GM - If the Mafia attempt to NK the Alien, and the attack fails due to the Alien being NK immune, is the Alien informed that they survived an attack?

##Unend because I actually do want to know the answer to my GM call.

[damo666]

If any of Fox worcej or ghug are town I am ashamed of them.

Your level of theatrics are noted.

I'm on the 'flip the dude who's scanned Alien that's in the Alien pool' because that for sure buys us another day and if we're wrong, we don't auto-lose either.

Day kill me count goes 5-3.

Alien wins unless scum NK infectee.

So, yeah not auto loss, just too close for comfort.

Far better to dk alien imo.

[Foxcastle]

If any of Fox worcej or ghug are town I am ashamed of them.

Your level of theatrics are noted.

I'm on the 'flip the dude who's scanned Alien that's in the Alien pool' because that for sure buys us another day and if we're wrong, we don't auto-lose either.

Day kill me count goes 5-3.

Alien wins unless scum NK infectee.

So, yeah not auto loss, just too close for comfort.

Far better to dk alien imo.

I mean, scum are on our side in this, aren't they? Why wouldn't they hold their kill?

You think they're willing to out one of the two of them to save town from an alien win, but they're not willing to hold the NK to save town from an alien win?

[damo666]

It's entirely possible the scum team held their kill and don't actually know who the alien is, as well. I'm not sure how likely it is, but if they're as town-friendly as Damo seems to think, why wouldn't they that?

Yes, this is possible. Would be a weak move on scum's part but yes, possible.

[Foxcastle]

##UNEND


##CALL GM: does the aliens control of infected votes extend to END votes?

[damo666]

Well, clearly my plan ain't gonna fly which I think is an awful shame.

I do hope however I have demonstrated I'm not alien.

[damo666]

It's late for me so goodnight.

[Foxcastle]

It's entirely possible the scum team held their kill and don't actually know who the alien is, as well. I'm not sure how likely it is, but if they're as town-friendly as Damo seems to think, why wouldn't they that?

Yes, this is possible. Would be a weak move on scum's part but yes, possible.

You seem to think that they are so afraid of the alien winning that they'll sacrifice one of their last two remaining players to avoid it, but are not so afraid of the alien winning that they'd withhold the NK??? That's not consistent at all.

[worcej]

Well, clearly my plan ain't gonna fly which I think is an awful shame.

I do hope however I have demonstrated I'm not alien.

You've put up a good act.

[damo666]

It's entirely possible the scum team held their kill and don't actually know who the alien is, as well. I'm not sure how likely it is, but if they're as town-friendly as Damo seems to think, why wouldn't they that?

Yes, this is possible. Would be a weak move on scum's part but yes, possible.

You seem to think that they are so afraid of the alien winning that they'll sacrifice one of their last two remaining players to avoid it, but are not so afraid of the alien winning that they'd withhold the NK??? That's not consistent at all.

They might have thought no kill better than risking killing an uninfected townsperson precisely because they are so scared of the alien.

[ghug]

The Alien is hardly likely to actually declare that they've found themselves. Making it look like you're searching for the Alien and just happening to get it wrong? Plausible.

Right, but I whipped everyone into shape on needing to shift focus to the alien when it would have been pretty damn easy to keep focusing on the mafia...

I did that before you ever did.

You literally refused to kill celaph when I first wanted to.

[ghug]

I really don't understand the objection from worcej gugh and Fox to my plan.

I have demonstrated that it is waterproof even if I am the alien.

I am now very much of the opinion that those 3 are the 3 scum.

One of you have to squeal.

I explained it pretty clearly. If you can't read or refuse to listen, that's your problem. This is the putting the French flag on your Facebook profile picture of mafia strategies.

[ghug]

I really don't understand the objection from worcej gugh and Fox to my plan.

I have demonstrated that it is waterproof even if I am the alien.

I am now very much of the opinion that those 3 are the 3 scum.

One of you have to squeal.

I don't like your plan because I don't see how this helps town.

You're counting on the scum deciding to throw one of their two last players into the fire to coordinate, assuming they even explicitly know who the alien is.

They got no option unless they want to lose.

You're forgetting the part where they can say "town has no option unless they want to lose" and then we play chicken, and again, they can talk privately while we don't know who's town. There are two of them and six of us. We're probably not going to win that battle of will and coordination, and trying to fight it will waste our time and create a potential EoD where votes are all over the place and an alien can take control.

What we can do is hunt for the alien and know that:
a) the mafia know their identity
b) the mafia will have to claim if we're getting it wrong, because then it's no longer a game of chicken that either side can end, it's up to them

[ghug]

Putting ScumCastle to one side, here's my thinking on Damo's proposal:

What POSSIBLE motivation would the real Alien have for coming up with a plan like this? As far as the Alien knows, the scum DO have the potential to out them. Damo's gambit has no upside for the Alien if it comes off.

Unless the Alien knows Scum did NOT target them.... somehow.

##CALL GM - If the Mafia attempt to NK the Alien, and the attack fails due to the Alien being NK immune, is the Alien informed that they survived an attack?

##Unend because I actually do want to know the answer to my GM call.

I've given the reason. It could very easily create enough chaos to make the vote swingable at EoD.

[ghug]

Hi Bob