M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[rdrivera2005]

Damn that last post of mine is so scummy. Flashwagon on me, anyone? I bet Bunny will join it.

(Please don't really do that, I'm town).

I agree that your post is scummy as hell. Why on Earth you are worried with your meta on kilo?

This said, I think it's clear now that today is between Chaqa, Kgray and me. I have a stronger scumread on Kgray but I can't see a scumteam without Chaqa (it need to be him or Darg or white flag and I don't see neither), so I will vote for any of this two. I will obviously not vote for myself.

[kgray]

2. BunnyGo: "Then why not just save Maniac?"

JT: Because then a RB on me, or Kgray trying to save Maniac, would have resulted in two deaths.

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

[rdrivera2005]

2. BunnyGo: "Then why not just save Maniac?"

JT: Because then a RB on me, or Kgray trying to save Maniac, would have resulted in two deaths.

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

I think he meant that if you both try to save Maniac it fails and both Maniac and Jamiet would be dead.

[BunnyGo]

2. BunnyGo: "Then why not just save Maniac?"

JT: Because then a RB on me, or Kgray trying to save Maniac, would have resulted in two deaths.

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

Because apparently he expected Maniac to be NKd and then Maniac to shoot Jamie.

[kgray]

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

I think he meant that if you both try to save Maniac it fails and both Maniac and Jamiet would be dead.

Oh, I thought he meant or a RB on me. Thanks. I still think it's odd that they're talking about this like Jamie thought Maniac was town, since he was scumreading him all of D3.

[BunnyGo]

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

I think he meant that if you both try to save Maniac it fails and both Maniac and Jamiet would be dead.

Oh, I thought he meant or a RB on me. Thanks. I still think it's odd that they're talking about this like Jamie thought Maniac was town, since he was scumreading him all of D3.

Welcome to my world of trying to read Jamiet.

[kgray]

2. BunnyGo: "Then why not just save Maniac?"

JT: Because then a RB on me, or Kgray trying to save Maniac, would have resulted in two deaths.

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

Because apparently he expected Maniac to be NKd and then Maniac to shoot Jamie.

I mean I wouldn't blame him for protecting himself if he's town because Maniac's target seemed totally random to me. But I'm not seeing why he thought Maniac was going to be the NK if he was scumreading him.

[dargorygel]

@kgray
Regarding the chaqa 'setup for a misskill,'
Scum could now be letting their scummate go, because they can. No one will step up today to defend him, in case the defense fails, we kill him and he flips scum.

So yes, I still have some gnawing doubts that they expected Chaqa to be in this seat today, and are ok with it. But I scumread him. You do. And others do. I don't see us gathering on macca (SOMEONE will say, 'he isn't here!!!') And I do not see traction on rdr, do you?

I probably won't be back until close to EoD. Someone should maybe summarize what's up at 15 minutes before, for others who also will be catching up.

[kgray]

@kgray
Regarding the chaqa 'setup for a misskill,'
Scum could now be letting their scummate go, because they can. No one will step up today to defend him, in case the defense fails, we kill him and he flips scum.

So yes, I still have some gnawing doubts that they expected Chaqa to be in this seat today, and are ok with it. But I scumread him. You do. And others do. I don't see us gathering on macca (SOMEONE will say, 'he isn't here!!!') And I do not see traction on rdr, do you?

I probably won't be back until close to EoD. Someone should maybe summarize what's up at 15 minutes before, for others who also will be catching up.

It's the two RBs that make me think this. If Chaqa is scum I'm sure you're right and he's being bussed. Like you said, they've got time to hit town later. But spending money on 2 RBs when one of their own is on the chopping block and they've got healers still alive doesn't make sense unless they've got tons of cash saved up somehow.

I do scumread Chaqa. But last game I knew the final 3 scum were in a pool of 4 people and my strongest scumread was the only town. Now is not the time to stubbornly stick to assumptions.

[Chaqa]

@kgray
Regarding the chaqa 'setup for a misskill,'
Scum could now be letting their scummate go, because they can. No one will step up today to defend him, in case the defense fails, we kill him and he flips scum.

So yes, I still have some gnawing doubts that they expected Chaqa to be in this seat today, and are ok with it. But I scumread him. You do. And others do. I don't see us gathering on macca (SOMEONE will say, 'he isn't here!!!') And I do not see traction on rdr, do you?

I probably won't be back until close to EoD. Someone should maybe summarize what's up at 15 minutes before, for others who also will be catching up.

Dargo, I would argue that one reason to believe my innocence is my role. Why would the scum team take Tree Stump? If they wanted a cash-positive role, Fruit Vendor would be better. If you're town, you can be pretty sure mafia didn't take my role since it makes no sense to give up a perma-strongman for $1 less. They'd never NEED to roleblock if they took FV, so why wouldn't they?

[Chaqa]

@kgray
Regarding the chaqa 'setup for a misskill,'
Scum could now be letting their scummate go, because they can. No one will step up today to defend him, in case the defense fails, we kill him and he flips scum.

So yes, I still have some gnawing doubts that they expected Chaqa to be in this seat today, and are ok with it. But I scumread him. You do. And others do. I don't see us gathering on macca (SOMEONE will say, 'he isn't here!!!') And I do not see traction on rdr, do you?

I probably won't be back until close to EoD. Someone should maybe summarize what's up at 15 minutes before, for others who also will be catching up.

Dargo, I would argue that one reason to believe my innocence is my role. Why would the scum team take Tree Stump? If they wanted a cash-positive role, Fruit Vendor would be better. If you're town, you can be pretty sure mafia didn't take my role since it makes no sense to give up a perma-strongman for $1 less. They'd never NEED to roleblock if they took FV, so why wouldn't they?

To finish my thought: the only explanation for them not taking FV is that they did something with more expensive roles and likely a white flag. Whether it's one or both Healers, or both Trackers, or UB/vanilla/FH, IDK yet. And the recruit is a certainty given Double Vote and Vengeful were both town.

[Jamiet99uk]

2. BunnyGo: "Then why not just save Maniac?"

JT: Because then a RB on me, or Kgray trying to save Maniac, would have resulted in two deaths.

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

Oh come on, I was softing Faith Healer pretty heavily by EoD3.

[BunnyGo]

I don't understand this question or this answer. Jamie was scumreading Maniac throughout D3, why would he save him?

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

Oh come on, I was softing Faith Healer pretty heavily by EoD3.

So....why did it matter to you to save maniac?

[Jamiet99uk]

And Jamie are you saying you think scum were likely to RB one of us? How would they know we were the healers?

Oh come on, I was softing Faith Healer pretty heavily by EoD3.

So....why did it matter to you to save maniac?

What?

I didn't save Maniac.

I saved myself.

[dargorygel]

@kgray
Regarding the chaqa 'setup for a misskill,'
Scum could now be letting their scummate go, because they can. No one will step up today to defend him, in case the defense fails, we kill him and he flips scum.

So yes, I still have some gnawing doubts that they expected Chaqa to be in this seat today, and are ok with it. But I scumread him. You do. And others do. I don't see us gathering on macca (SOMEONE will say, 'he isn't here!!!') And I do not see traction on rdr, do you?

I probably won't be back until close to EoD. Someone should maybe summarize what's up at 15 minutes before, for others who also will be catching up.

Dargo, I would argue that one reason to believe my innocence is my role. Why would the scum team take Tree Stump? If they wanted a cash-positive role, Fruit Vendor would be better. If you're town, you can be pretty sure mafia didn't take my role since it makes no sense to give up a perma-strongman for $1 less. They'd never NEED to roleblock if they took FV, so why wouldn't they?

To finish my thought: the only explanation for them not taking FV is that they did something with more expensive roles and likely a white flag. Whether it's one or both Healers, or both Trackers, or UB/vanilla/FH, IDK yet. And the recruit is a certainty given Double Vote and Vengeful were both town.

Unless you, a good scum-hider, were recruited without regard/knowledge of your role.

[Chaqa]

Dargo, I would argue that one reason to believe my innocence is my role. Why would the scum team take Tree Stump? If they wanted a cash-positive role, Fruit Vendor would be better. If you're town, you can be pretty sure mafia didn't take my role since it makes no sense to give up a perma-strongman for $1 less. They'd never NEED to roleblock if they took FV, so why wouldn't they?

To finish my thought: the only explanation for them not taking FV is that they did something with more expensive roles and likely a white flag. Whether it's one or both Healers, or both Trackers, or UB/vanilla/FH, IDK yet. And the recruit is a certainty given Double Vote and Vengeful were both town.

Unless you, a good scum-hider, were recruited without regard/knowledge of your role.

That's a reasonable thought, but if I was recruited, what roles did the scumteam buy?

[Jamiet99uk]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

[BunnyGo]

Oh come on, I was softing Faith Healer pretty heavily by EoD3.

So....why did it matter to you to save maniac?

What?

I didn't save Maniac.

I saved myself.

I’m aware. You said the reason was “maniac was going to shoot me”. And you said the reason you didn’t save maniac was “I’d be RBd”. And I’m lost.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm going to go and listen to the football and I'll be back in half an hour or so. Bunny, take a chill pill.

[BunnyGo]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

Am I? I see sooooooooi much hunting happening while I’m gone. Look at all the posts!

In all seriousness, I’ve made my case. Others are WIFOMing out of their puny minds about Chaq. And you’re reacting like a scum who is furious at getting caught for what you think are dumb reasons when you’re really close to winning.

I’m not voting you. But every post you have makes me think I should.