M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

weve always needed today for a deeo
comprehensive look at every single player and weigh if they are playing a great scum game or not

[Chaqa]

the more chaqa makes dismissive remarks about players research and acts like the game is in its final stages tells me that a bona chaqa scumteam is still absolutely alive and resides well outside any POE that currently exists from anyone

Tell me you don’t understand what im saying without telling me you don’t understand what im saying

But sure let’s tinfoil our way to defeat

[Chaqa]

Anyway, I’m not telling anyone not to investigate others, but I strongly believe our next two flips should be Blamp and Flum. Worcej is also acceptable for maybe the day after. Rivera would be better than anyone i didn’t just mention, but not better than those three.

[bozotheclown]

Can you give me a summary of the game from you're point of view? Has it been as fun as your last game?

Definitely not as fun as my last game. Last game had the pleasure of impressing everyone, this game has just been an onslaught. I'm playing this game a lot more individualistically, trying to see what edges I can gain and what level of openness to utilize. The fun moments I've had are ones where I'm trying to shake things up and rattle people and try to create information. eg: pushing a Maniac bandwagon, interrogating pyxxy briefly

full summary:
So the game started off rough with me coming in after a super eventful/traumatic night where I lost my keys & phone while out at the bars with Bridget. And then for whatever reason that story was just incessantly questioned and doubted for no reason. That was really annoying. Sabi has a breakdown day 1, claims VT, and it feels fake. I decide not to push it because my best guess for what's happening is they're making some big brain play where they claim VT early to shroud a PR role. My other main suspects day 1 are chaqa and demon. Demon eventually starts acting pretty vitriolic, and before the game I decided that any real emotion someone showcases is going to make me townread them. So my main suspect day 1 was Chaqa, but I wasn't going to be on end of day. Towards the latter half of day one I notice celaph is doing the same sort of buddying to me as they were last game (which I think should point to me being town), and that raises my eyebrows a bit. I can't really be on at the end of the day because an hour before deadline I'm starting a game of Black Widow Brigade (the thing Karen played with RHAP people and sent out the episodes for). 10 minutes before deadline there's a lull in BWB, and I'm able to check the thread and try and catch up. I don't intend to interfere with the wagons, but I see that Chaqa ties the vote at the end. With one minute left I'm refreshing, and I see bozo's vote come in so I latch on that way to ensure that it doesnt tie (which I thought it couldve in the case that someone just saw Chaqa's post and didn't see bozo's). So I vote Kak. People are attributing way too much meaning to this vote.

Day 2 everyone was saying it was definitely going to be celaph the whole night etc etc etc. I'm still mildly sus on celaph, but having a 48 hour period where there's just a celaph wagon seems unproductive, so I decide to spend the whole day banging pots and pans for a Maniac wagon. My thought was that Maniac's read on celaph was very much fake and arbitrary, and that if Maniac was indeed scum, that would make celaph look innocent. I'm able to get a couple people on board with this idea, but with celaph and TFB having more solid wagons, it's unlikely that Maniac is actually going to go. So my new idea is that I'll just stay hard campaigning for Maniac until 5 minutes before deadline and then I'll swing over to celaph and see what happens. Brainbomb being adamant about voting celaph cements this idea for me, as brain/worcej were my towncore at the time. Prob still are. Idk. Also during day 2 is a fun moment where I catch pyxxy in a lie, and try to do my best bad cop presentation and see if he will just break. I don't think anything was accomplished from that but it was prob the most fun individual moment all game for me.

Day 3 and on are kind of all a blur for me. After the celaph vote, everyone was saying Maniac next and it was becoming all very groupthink-ish. I didn't think that Maniac was that scummy anymore after celaph's role was revealed, and was preparing to fight back against that wagon the next day. I was sus on Jamie/Sabi/ghug primarily, until ghug subbed out and his last message made me townread him. So going into the next day I would've probably wanted a Jamie vote. But then jamie claims cop with a guilty on Maniac, so I just think I'm wrong and confused and vote Maniac. And then he flips VT and I'm like "ok cool maniac was flipper". because jamie fakeclaiming in that way didn't even occur to me, lol. Seems soooooo unlike him from last game, where he railroaded you for lying. I'm still confused on the hypocrisy there.

And then I kind of check out, fly to LA, start the beginnings of a relationship(?) and now we are here, and I'm apparently being railroaded as scum. I'm hoping it's a large effort by the remaining scum to push my name because they're scared of me, but probably not. I haven't gone back and analyzed anything since the Jamie retract, and the TFB flip, but right now my gut just says to be sus on Sabi and Chaqa. I feel like Chaqa in particular could benefit as scum for getting me out here because I am a very independent thinker, and based on skimming today he seems to be wanting to just railroad through without being questioned. Sabi I've felt weird on all game and have been back and forth 20 times. I start to doubt myself when they have polite responses to my inquiries etc, but idk.

I get why I'm being targeted, because I have been cagier and less open with my every thought this game. But it's still wrong, and right now I'm hoping that some conglomerate of you/me/bona/worcej/brain/bozo will come together and figure out a better direction, because I don't think Eden will change his mind off of me. I'm frustrated because I know that my mafia playstyle would be so radically different than the playstyle I'm being accused of enacting. When I get to play as mafia, I'm going lone wolf. I wouldn't directly throw anyone under the bus, but I certainly wouldn't try to save people or try to associate myself in any way. It'd be my dream to be the last one surviving and solo win it. So when people are accusing me of like "omg he tried to save his teammates by campaigning for Maniac," I just know that it's so inherently wrong. I make a wagon for Maniac as a townie, not as someone whose obvious scum partner is dying that day. Like, what sense does that make?!?!?

And in general the game has just been a slog of personal drama without much levity. But i've still been trying. Been over-fixated at points. yeeeeee

This sounds like TFB coming up with town motivated explanations for the suspicious things he did. None of this explains your contradictory statements about celaph and Maniac D2 and N2.

[bozotheclown]

like it doesn't seem like there's any way for me to productively engage or defend myself. i could spend the time trying to solve myself but it seems like it'll be largely ignored

Making a reasonable case for 2 remaining mafia that does not include you would be more likely to convince me you are town than defending your previous votes.

[bozotheclown]

I believe this can’t be faked.

it can be faked, I just don’t think it was. so substantively I agree

Fair but it's a lot of effort and the amount of disengagement I have seen from blamp makes me think scum!blamp would not put in that much effort.

This can easily be faked and it seems very much like a scum ploy to me.

[bozotheclown]

I do not think rdrivera should be the DK today and I am very concerned that BusinessLamp and BesharamSabi, who are supposedly scum reading each other, have voted together to make rdrivera the lead wagon.

[bozotheclown]

I would like every to please give their top 4 candidates for the last 2 scum spots (although it is at least possible there is only one mafia remaining):

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej

[bozotheclown]

Correction:

I would like everyone to please give their top 4 candidates for the last 2 scum spots (although it is at least possible there is only one mafia remaining):

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej

[Jamiet99uk]

Here's a bozo-survey I can get on board with:

JamieT: BusinessLamp, Sabi, Worcej, DemonRHK

[Jamiet99uk]

I do not think rdrivera should be the DK today and I am very concerned that BusinessLamp and BesharamSabi, who are supposedly scum reading each other, have voted together to make rdrivera the lead wagon.

Well I can do something about that.

##Vote Sabi

[Jamiet99uk]

if we want to talk about people who have gotten a massive pass

##VOTE worcej

to my knowledge this is the first vote cast on worcej the entire game

I'm sure it's been pointed out, but this is totally wrong. DemonRHK and Ghug tried to create a Worcej wagon D1 just after Worcej subbed in, and before Worcej had posted.

Would scum!DemonRHK bus scum!Worcej like that?

[Jamiet99uk]

Kinda weird that President Eden completely forgot about the fairly big debate we had on D1 about all that.

[Jamiet99uk]

There's vegan milk, vegan bacon, vegan steak

But they are descriptors to override the default of milk, bacon, steak, etc.

Pretty Sus if you ask me

Hot take: being vegan is stupid.

You can't call something "food" unless you killed it with your own crossbow.

You liberals make me puke.

Everybody get a load of Ted Nugent over here...

[Jamiet99uk]

Vegan bacon is made of seitan which is just gluten from bread (basically wash dough part of dough but keep the protein part aka gluten). It has existed for many centuries as a non animal form of protein in Asia like tofu. There's nothing artificial or unnatural about it.

Seitan is so good.

HAIL SEITAN \m/

[DemonRHK]

Blame, flum, Sabi, rdr

[brainbomb]

monkaS

what is this?
I keep finding weird cryptic codespeak in the thread

[brainbomb]

Like there was no transition of blamp posts from CELAPH IS Town to VOTE CELAPH LESSGOOOO.

All in span of 14 minutes?

Yes its eod, emotions are wild

But like idk it feels like signal?

Here's how the votes looked like around then:

00:22 ghu Cha➙Man 6 The 6 Man 5 cel
00:06 Cha Man➙cel 6 The 6 cel 5 Man
00:06 Bus Man➙cel 7 cel 6 The 4 Man
00:05 The Man➙cel 8 cel 6 The 3 Man
00:05 ghu Man➙Man 8 cel 6 The 3 Man
00:03 dam The➙cel 9 cel 5 The 3 Man

What's odd was Blamp number one vote for the whole day, Maniac, was still tied when he suddenly switched to celaph?

It's weird. I need to relook at this with fresh eyes.

what is being said here? I dont understand what the big deal is

[brainbomb]

monkaS

I do actually need a whole number though

monkagiga

7

again what is this monka shit

[brainbomb]

I’m gonna try just not arguing with you here, because I don’t think there’s much to be gained for anyone by doing so and I think we’re both liable to let it consume the thread. Scumread me if you want. I think a neutral observer will see past the over the top rhetoric to the fact that this is just us disagreeing on something and you blowing it way out of proportion.

probably a good strategy as you have no argument and towns don’t read

this sort of looks like you are saying ghug is innocent but were all top dumb to see why?