MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Rumi Tobari]

Let's start to talk about our target for tomorrow.

Vecna has not posted for over 28 hours.

Celaph has not posted this phase.

Worcej's only posts in the last 24 hours have been "oh, what's happening?" posts.

Bo_Sox has also had very little to say lately.


A target in this group? I think so.

Vecna is fully capable of doing that EOD1 shenanigans as scum, but the lack of participation isn't AI for him.

Bo vote at EOD2 makes me think he is town, scum openly voting to save a partner is rare. He also voted Snowy into the lead when he was tied with me.

Worcej is going down fast on my townreads. His willingness to park a vote on me when I was the counter to Snowy also makes me suspect him. Same is valid for Celaph but I don't think both are scum, probably just one.

I have no motivation to provide counter context because I cannot do anything. Kill me at MiLO or sooner please lol

Alternatively, scum could have bussed your tag to someone else by now so someone who thinks they have a vote doesn't, and you being downcast and unmotivated like this could be the point.

[worcej]

I'm pretty sold on the scumteam being exactly within Hamilton, Vecna, bo, rivera, celaph.

celaph, Vecna, and rdr I can easily get.

Can you explain bo and HB better? Or just point me to where you already did.

[worcej]

Vecna is fully capable of doing that EOD1 shenanigans as scum, but the lack of participation isn't AI for him.

Bo vote at EOD2 makes me think he is town, scum openly voting to save a partner is rare. He also voted Snowy into the lead when he was tied with me.

Worcej is going down fast on my townreads. His willingness to park a vote on me when I was the counter to Snowy also makes me suspect him. Same is valid for Celaph but I don't think both are scum, probably just one.

I have no motivation to provide counter context because I cannot do anything. Kill me at MiLO or sooner please lol

Alternatively, scum could have bussed your tag to someone else by now so someone who thinks they have a vote doesn't, and you being downcast and unmotivated like this could be the point.

I am going to place valid votes but bussing the tag is kinda pointless in my eyes because it provide an almost bulletproof town clear.

[Hamilton Brian]

Let's start to talk about our target for tomorrow.

Vecna has not posted for over 28 hours.

Celaph has not posted this phase.

Worcej's only posts in the last 24 hours have been "oh, what's happening?" posts.

Bo_Sox has also had very little to say lately.


A target in this group? I think so.

FWIW, I was busy on the weekend and a lot of shit went down since then to suck some energy out of me, especially knowing my vote is worthless.

Scum have no motivation to ever target me and a PR would be stupid to as well. I am effectively just a tree stump in this game now lol

*Note to Self: Dive deeper into this Worcej character. :D

[Rumi Tobari]

I have no motivation to provide counter context because I cannot do anything. Kill me at MiLO or sooner please lol

Alternatively, scum could have bussed your tag to someone else by now so someone who thinks they have a vote doesn't, and you being downcast and unmotivated like this could be the point.

I am going to place valid votes but bussing the tag is kinda pointless in my eyes because it provide an almost bulletproof town clear.

Oh right. I forgot about the weirdness with how the bus driver swaps the tags. I keep thinking its just a passenger to passenger swap.

[worcej]

Sharing just for the sake of it: I peeked at the start of D2 and knew I had the tag, but because of my RL stuff on Saturday I was unable to keep my tag hidden. Thus, my dejectedness is more that scum now know to avoid me instead of accidentally stumbling onto the no-vote tag

[worcej]

Let's start to talk about our target for tomorrow.

Vecna has not posted for over 28 hours.

Celaph has not posted this phase.

Worcej's only posts in the last 24 hours have been "oh, what's happening?" posts.

Bo_Sox has also had very little to say lately.


A target in this group? I think so.

FWIW, I was busy on the weekend and a lot of shit went down since then to suck some energy out of me, especially knowing my vote is worthless.

Scum have no motivation to ever target me and a PR would be stupid to as well. I am effectively just a tree stump in this game now lol

*Note to Self: Dive deeper into this Worcej character. :D

What do you want to know? I was decently active until the weekend and then was busy, which isn’t abnormal for me.

[worcej]

Scum could swap the tag off me tonight, sure. But again - what value does that bring?

You move it to another towny? Okay, fine - nothing changes.
You move it to another scum? Hope you BD doesn’t die.

I would think the best bet would be to not touch me at all because the risk-reward of moving the tag off me is just unnecessary wifom when the scum team is only down one member.

[worcej]

Guys, worcej got his vote back.

The sounds of an airplane flying over your head are quite bad.

[worcej]

literal smoothbrain

This lol

[Rumi Tobari]

Scum could swap the tag off me tonight, sure. But again - what value does that bring?

You move it to another towny? Okay, fine - nothing changes.
You move it to another scum? Hope you BD doesn’t die.

I would think the best bet would be to not touch me at all because the risk-reward of moving the tag off me is just unnecessary wifom when the scum team is only down one member.

I was honestly looking at it from a morale and psych warfare perspective. But you have a point.

[worcej]

current: 9 townies v 3 mafia
N3: presumably Jamie gets strongman killed, 8v3
D4: miss #1, 7v3
N4: presume either ghug or an obvtown gets killed and Doc guesses wrong, 6v3
D5: miss #2, 5v3
N5: presume either ghug or an obvtown gets killed and Doc guesses wrong, 4v3
D6 to infinity: LYLO

We have two misses left right now. If the deathbomb hits a mafia or the Doc saves someone, we still have two misses but we get a more favorable outcome (more clears or a free mafia kill). The deathbomb can be one of our misses, so caution is still advisable, especially as we no longer have any idea where it is.

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I was gonna start actually narrowing the POE but I got halfway through and got tired and it was still a wall that needed editing down so I’m not posting it.

Only interesting thing in it anyway was that worcej is a little to me now when you look at the actual results. He bled town when we were fighting early D2, but both his D1 & D2 votes were actually completely unexplained (go check his posts, he never gives a direct read on either damo or rdrivera or really mentions them at all). His main interaction in the game involved hard shading me and softly pushing back on Jamie for going after Byz, even though he never states a read on Byz or snowy. His vote pattern also looks like what you would expect somebody protecting snowByz to look like. I’m not saying that necessarily makes him sus, just wrong about snowByz, but I never felt like I got any reason from him why he was so firmly on Byz’s side of things. On balance he’s still probably town (random chance is what, 70%?) but I’m less confident in him than I should be.

Not entirely true here - I pushed cases and had positions that were not consensus.

I was clear that I didn’t like your case on byx and voted the opposite wagon. That’s a good enough reason for D1.

D2 was me pushing a case and then slipping a vote to rdr when I could during my RL stuff that I had said I would miss EOD

[worcej]

FWIW, totally okay with the shade for protecting Byz - that was me being wrong and I am fine with that.

[worcej]

Funny that you cannot remember why I was so anti-Byz when it was part of my points about you that I didn’t like.

[President Eden]

Scum could swap the tag off me tonight, sure. But again - what value does that bring?

You move it to another towny? Okay, fine - nothing changes.
You move it to another scum? Hope you BD doesn’t die.

I would think the best bet would be to not touch me at all because the risk-reward of moving the tag off me is just unnecessary wifom when the scum team is only down one member.

Well, I don’t know how much I even buy it, but there’s an obvious mafia motivation to free you from the tag if you’re mafia. I agree that there’s not a lot of point to freeing you up if you’re town though. That was actually why I brought it up—I was in the middle of writing up my mixed feelings on you and thought I observed that you HAD lost the tag, which is pretty But obviously there was another reasonable explanation for what I was seeing.

All I’m really saying is that I think your behavior bled town but in the interest of thoroughness, I went back and looked at your record expecting to remove you from my POE pool, and found I could see the argument for you being mafia having a good game.

[President Eden]

Funny that you cannot remember why I was so anti-Byz when it was part of my points about you that I didn’t like.

Ok, if you get time (and if it even matters, which I’m concededly not sure it does), please go back through your posts and point out what you said that I’m missing that clarified things. Because I went back and looked at the time we were arguing and during my reread last night, and all I found were summary statements like “I disagree” and “that’s BS” which doesn’t tell me why you believed what you did.

[Hamilton Brian]

What do you want to know? I was decently active until the weekend and then was busy, which isn’t abnormal for me.
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Not much right now; I was just busting your chops because you have done this "disappearing act" before, and I don't think it's entirely AI. Really my exercise through reading the beginning is to find some things that might be a pattern later on, and note things that stick out to me. Coming up from the rear, as it were.

[worcej]

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Funny that you cannot remember why I was so anti-Byz when it was part of my points about you that I didn’t like.

Ok, if you get time (and if it even matters, which I’m concededly not sure it does), please go back through your posts and point out what you said that I’m missing that clarified things. Because I went back and looked at the time we were arguing and during my reread last night, and all I found were summary statements like “I disagree” and “that’s BS” which doesn’t tell me why you believed what you did.
[/quote]This is not going to happen due to mobile and non-value added time on my end. With limited time/effort, it’s stupid for me to use it on hunting through our D2 interactions for you.

I defended Byz because I thought your case was fabricated and you built on facts that could easily be used on yourself.

I also find it interesting how much you shade me for defending Byz when you’re just as much as fault for directing a kill off snowy and onto Sabi.

[worcej]

What do you want to know? I was decently active until the weekend and then was busy, which isn’t abnormal for me.

Not much right now; I was just busting your chops because you have done this "disappearing act" before, and I don't think it's entirely AI. Really my exercise through reading the beginning is to find some things that might be a pattern later on, and note things that stick out to me. Coming up from the rear, as it were.
[/quote]That’s entirely fair - and hilarious because I was towned due to my activity during the day. I expect to be now scummed for having to explain being busy lol

My only defense to place is that on early D2 that I would miss EOD2 due to RL commitments that carried over all the way into Sunday IRL (due to heavy drinking post-draft)

[worcej]

Scum could swap the tag off me tonight, sure. But again - what value does that bring?

You move it to another towny? Okay, fine - nothing changes.
You move it to another scum? Hope you BD doesn’t die.

I would think the best bet would be to not touch me at all because the risk-reward of moving the tag off me is just unnecessary wifom when the scum team is only down one member.

Well, I don’t know how much I even buy it, but there’s an obvious mafia motivation to free you from the tag if you’re mafia. I agree that there’s not a lot of point to freeing you up if you’re town though. That was actually why I brought it up—I was in the middle of writing up my mixed feelings on you and thought I observed that you HAD lost the tag, which is pretty But obviously there was another reasonable explanation for what I was seeing.

All I’m really saying is that I think your behavior bled town but in the interest of thoroughness, I went back and looked at your record expecting to remove you from my POE pool, and found I could see the argument for you being mafia having a good game.

If I was mafia and had this tag, why wouldn’t me and my team have freed me of it on N1?

If I was mafia - I would have peeked on D1 to know what tag I had to plan for the BD movement. I would do it regardless of the concern of accidentally hitting the self oracle. Knowing I have any special tag would be critical for executing the NK and BD actions.

Mechanically, there is no point as mafia to keep the tag on themselves because it effectively neuters the team by taking a vote away.

Otherwise, I am not going to fault you for reading me as defending Byz because that’s exactly what I was doing. I was just doing it as a stupid towny not trusting the origins of the case on Byz.