M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[kgray]

Yep, this was my first impulse as well.

I had initially only sent in my result to worcej, so my result came very late because he wasnt around for 30 hours or so.

I did a weird 180' on HR when the result did come in. Didnt vote him for quite some time while he was my top scumread. Then HR popped back in with his over the top acting and I felt it was just scummy behavior. I reasoned he would be the #1 recruitment option for quite some people, and decided to follow my gut. I also didnt feel he was trying to attract any type of NK N1 with his lurking.

Anyways I was wrong. And thats mainly the reason why I tried to hide my result from N1. Wouldve kept it hidden the entire game if it wasnt for you coming out claiming HR was unreachable N1

K most of that makes sense, but why did you want to hide it? Because you didn't want people to know you knew he was commuter?

Mostly because I cant really explain it without talking about how the communication with the gm transpired, which is just something I dont really like using to clear myself. Just felt it would be a distraction

Fair. Although for the record I still don't know why you think your role makes you clear haha

[Vecna]

@flum please be around eod in case this all goes tits up

[kgray]

I really don't know about the no-kill plan, tbh. I have no idea if narrowing the scumpool is worth losing a town vote, since presumably scum aren't going to kill someone who's heavily scumread.

[Vecna]

K most of that makes sense, but why did you want to hide it? Because you didn't want people to know you knew he was commuter?

Mostly because I cant really explain it without talking about how the communication with the gm transpired, which is just something I dont really like using to clear myself. Just felt it would be a distraction

Fair. Although for the record I still don't know why you think your role makes you clear haha

it doesnt, I never asked for it to clear me, id probably play it similarly as scum.

This role would be quite good for scum -if- faith healers couldnt actually save the same people consecutively (which I already admitted I was not aware of, so have another argument for why I could be scum making a dumb decision)

[Vecna]

I really don't know about the no-kill plan, tbh. I have no idea if narrowing the scumpool is worth losing a town vote, since presumably scum aren't going to kill someone who's heavily scumread.

would you say that as well if the vote was currently overwhelmingly voting for you?

[Chaqa]

Question for everyone, but especially for those scumreading me:

Do you think that as mafia, I would choose Tree Stump as my role?

It provides no utility. It doesn't make much sense for mafia to take when FV is a perpetual strongman that is also a positive money role.

Many of the 0-cost roles would be more valuable, as well.

alongside 2 roles costing 5 each TS pays for a RB, FV doesn't. So your role adds to my suspicion of you rather than detracts. You've also come across scummier than darg.

It's also possible scum did not take FV or Tree Stump. If they activated white flag, or took some zero-cost role

[Jamiet99uk]

16. I have just arrived and am catching up. I have quickly looked for questions or remarks directed at me whilst I do so. I notice these two:

Did we ever get a complete list of who damo (and also Bunny) had tracked this game? What about ghug and Vecna actions? Jamie and kgray? Dargo?

If we could get a full list of claimed actions I bet we could piece something together.

Damo: Jamiet N2, Kgray N4, all self-visits, all confirmed

Bunny: N1 Macca (unconfirmable so could be fake) N3 Ghug -> jamiet (fits with him claiming useless results and him visiting me N2).

Kgray: HR N1 (semi-confirmed by me), Vecna N2 (confirmed by me), Self visits N3/N4

Jamiet: Forgot what he did N1/N2, Self-visit N3, saved me N4

Vecna: HR N1 - unreachable (was sad to have to out this),
Self visit N2 (targeted by protective & N3 (no other visits)
Bunny N4 (no other visits)

None of the PR's have anything valuable to go on.

All we know is that the respective visits by trackers did not nightkill on those nights

N1. I protected Ghug. He was not attacked, but I was also not roleblocked nor did I collide with another FH or the FV.

N2. I protected myself. I was not attacked, but I was also not roleblocked nor did I collide with another FH or the FV.

N3. I protected myself. Maniac attempted to revenge-kill me. I was not roleblocked nor did I collide with another FH or the FV. I therefore healed my wounds and survived Maniac's kill.

N4. I protected Vecna. He was not attacked, but I was also not roleblocked nor did I collide with another FH or the FV.

Also chaqa, if you wanna know truely tiring, try being looked at to lead this shitfest, but then be cooooonstantly attacked and questioned on everything (its fine, its fine, whatever, I can take it and ill probably just look the fool afterwards for actually being wrong on some points, but whathever).

Who's looking to you to lead?

Honestly, the last two days have only reduced my townread of you. I still don't want to vote you before kgray and rivera (and maybe Bunny), but like, you haven't done anything to convince me you're town lately...

Also, where the F is Jamie?

Hello Chaqa. I am here. I am not caught up yet - the last page I read apart from quickly searching for questions directed at me, was page 238.

I see the following voting information:

1. Chaqa is the lead wagon, which seems odd unless something happened while I was away.

2. Fluminator has joined me on Macca even though the plan was to have one vote on Macca??? What is Flum doing?

3. I see the Kgray wagon has evaporated. Why is that?

4. I see Vecna is voting "no kill". Why is he doing that?

I now have FOUR posts left, not including votes. Please be mindful of this when asking me silly things. Try to keep it to the key issues that matter, if you want me to reply.

[kgray]

Mostly because I cant really explain it without talking about how the communication with the gm transpired, which is just something I dont really like using to clear myself. Just felt it would be a distraction

Fair. Although for the record I still don't know why you think your role makes you clear haha

it doesnt, I never asked for it to clear me, id probably play it similarly as scum.

This role would be quite good for scum -if- faith healers couldnt actually save the same people consecutively (which I already admitted I was not aware of, so have another argument for why I could be scum making a dumb decision)

You basically did though, and you called me scum for not understanding it... But okay. It's not important right now.

[Jamiet99uk]

##UNVOTE

[Chaqa]

(also having treestump randomize to a competent town player is terrible for scum)

I would agree, except that it seems leaving it out there is working out in their favor, since I'm being suspected for my role.

Youre being suspected for entirely different shit, your role just fits in the overall picture

Okay Vecna, lay out the case on me then, because as far as I can tell it's all because of my role and kgray's insistence I'm scum, OR that we're scum together.

Is that it?

[kgray]

I really don't know about the no-kill plan, tbh. I have no idea if narrowing the scumpool is worth losing a town vote, since presumably scum aren't going to kill someone who's heavily scumread.

would you say that as well if the vote was currently overwhelmingly voting for you?

I'm not sure. I would definitely fight for the no-kill option but I still wouldn't know which is the "better" plan objectively.

[Fluminator]

##Vote Jamiet
##Vote Jamiet
##Vote Jamiet

[Vecna]

I dont think your restraint is going to be helping matters if you are just artificially limiting yourself jamiet. If you feel you have been pushing people to hard to follow your opinion, you can also just share your opinion without trying to influence people with it.

The post limit is not helping anything/anyone

[Fluminator]

##Vote Macca

[Chaqa]

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum 3

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

To declare: Chaqa Jamie kgray 3

Can the o/s 3 please vote

Inappropriate for Macca to vote on this

I've already said, I'm neutral toward it. It has upsides and downsides.

My preference:
1. Vote out kgray
2. Vote no-kill

[Vecna]

Fair. Although for the record I still don't know why you think your role makes you clear haha

it doesnt, I never asked for it to clear me, id probably play it similarly as scum.

This role would be quite good for scum -if- faith healers couldnt actually save the same people consecutively (which I already admitted I was not aware of, so have another argument for why I could be scum making a dumb decision)

You basically did though, and you called me scum for not understanding it... But okay. It's not important right now.

I called you scum because I thought you outing not being targetted by maniac had outed seth as a FH.

[Chaqa]

Jamiet limited his posts is really fucking dumb IMO.

[Vecna]

I really don't know about the no-kill plan, tbh. I have no idea if narrowing the scumpool is worth losing a town vote, since presumably scum aren't going to kill someone who's heavily scumread.

would you say that as well if the vote was currently overwhelmingly voting for you?

I'm not sure. I would definitely fight for the no-kill option but I still wouldn't know which is the "better" plan objectively.

Do you think Damo wouldve responded to my plan in the way he did as scum?

[BunnyGo]

##VOTE NO KILL

yes, we understand. You're here enough that you want to captain.

[damo666]

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum 3

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

DON'T KNOW/AMBIVALENT chaqa kgray 2

To declare: Jamie 1

@Jamie What do you think?

You needn't count your reply in your postcount since it's a quasi vote