MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

What is the difference between "not PR" and "not!PR" ?

Hm, it should be more accurately notpr!EMC

Anyways, I have my exclamation quota to reach. But in this case it is used as "trait!Character" or "adjective!Noun"

Are you saying the reaver thing is that you have to post enough ! during a day?

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa, that's not how Monty Hall works. You need to pick scum *before* the PR reveal for that analogy to work. So we should have our lunch target and vig shot lined up before, if you want those percentages to be accurate.

Chaqa is having Chipotle for lunch. We already know that.

[BunnyGo]

Hm, it should be more accurately notpr!EMC

Anyways, I have my exclamation quota to reach. But in this case it is used as "trait!Character" or "adjective!Noun"

I do not understand any of this. What is the function of the exclamation marks in these statements?

Please could you explain it using normal people language? I only have two Masters' degrees and neither of them is in mathematics or formal logic or whatever you are using.

Here:

https://fanlore.org/wiki/!

[e.m.c^42]

Anyways, I have my exclamation quota to reach. But in this case it is used as "trait!Character" or "adjective!Noun"

It's a common enough usage 'in fandom', and it derives from c/c++ coding convention

I gotta type up something useful, I feel very spammy lol

As a software engineer... I have never heard of such a thing, and I have a C++ background.

I mean, fandom syntax has a whole life of it's own, and that's not even mentioning the differences in the whole general "western fandom" vs "eastern fandom", nor delving into specific kink subcultural things

but that doesn't have anything to do with this :D

[Chaqa]

Well, my not understanding mathematics notwithstanding, I still really like the maskclaim idea. Let's roll with it.

@xorx - please please please reveal ASAP. If you delay it it just causes confusion and will 100% have some players being obstinate out of spite. We have three claims now (you, me, EMC). Rivera says he'll claim if you reveal. That's four. Jamiet will be seventh, so if we get two more, we're like halfway there.

[Chaqa]

It's a common enough usage 'in fandom', and it derives from c/c++ coding convention

I gotta type up something useful, I feel very spammy lol

As a software engineer... I have never heard of such a thing, and I have a C++ background.

I mean, fandom syntax has a whole life of it's own, and that's not even mentioning the differences in the whole general "western fandom" vs "eastern fandom", nor delving into specific kink subcultural things

but that doesn't have anything to do with this :D

I'm not sure what "fandom" has to do with software conventions...

[e.m.c^42]

Are you saying the reaver thing is that you have to post enough ! during a day?

Look, !

Now there are 42 "!"'s if you ctrl+f on peterbot me

Anyone else claiming? I feel most are waiting on xorx, which doesn't feel like it will happen since he's trying to survive long term

however, it's unlikely to be a fakeclaim gamble as scum or town since that's not his thing

[Jamiet99uk]

So what has EMC claimed?

He claims "not!VT" but according to the fandom article from Bunny, the use of the "!" implies the opposite.

So the claim is "not NOT VT" ??

WHY DON'T YOU JUST USE NORMAL LANGUAGE YOU FUCKING FREAKS. COMMUNICATION REQUIRES UNDERSTANDING.

IF YOU JUST USE l33t FANBITCH JARGON THAT ONLY PEOPLE IN YOUR WORLD OF WARCRAFT KNITTING CIRCLEJERK CIRCLE UNDERSTAND, ♝ 𝓲т'丂 𝐚ⓝ𝓝𝔬уι几Ꮆ ☝

[e.m.c^42]

Are you saying the reaver thing is that you have to post enough ! during a day?

Look, !

Now there are 42 "!"'s if you ctrl+f on peterbot me

Anyone else claiming? I feel most are waiting on xorx, which doesn't feel like it will happen since he's trying to survive long term

however, it's unlikely to be a fakeclaim gamble as scum or town since that's not his thing

lol nope

let's go for a different number then

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE EMC

[e.m.c^42]

Oh Jamie, dear

I claim that I am not a PR.

[e.m.c^42]

So what has EMC claimed?

He claims "not!VT" but according to the fandom article from Bunny, the use of the "!" implies the opposite.

So the claim is "not NOT VT" ??

WHY DON'T YOU JUST USE NORMAL LANGUAGE YOU FUCKING FREAKS. COMMUNICATION REQUIRES UNDERSTANDING.

IF YOU JUST USE l33t FANBITCH JARGON THAT ONLY PEOPLE IN YOUR WORLD OF WARCRAFT KNITTING CIRCLEJERK CIRCLE UNDERSTAND, 😳♝ 𝓲т'丂 𝐚ⓝ𝓝𝔬уι几Ꮆ ☝🍮

but this is adorable.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jesus shitting Christ.

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

No, I don't. Because even though I can be a prick sometimes, I'm not that much of a prick.

[xorxes]

Well, my not understanding mathematics notwithstanding, I still really like the maskclaim idea. Let's roll with it.

@xorx - please please please reveal ASAP. If you delay it it just causes confusion and will 100% have some players being obstinate out of spite. We have three claims now (you, me, EMC). Rivera says he'll claim if you reveal. That's four. Jamiet will be seventh, so if we get two more, we're like halfway there.

rivera and Jamiet are being scummy if they're waiting for a reveal that they cannot doubt will be forthcoming. I'm getting more results from not proving my claim yet. Massclaim is about claims, not about GM reveals and sheeping the clear.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh Jamie, dear

I claim that I am not a PR.

But are you NOT a PR, or not!a!P!R! - which is it? Non invenissetis propositionem meam!

[e.m.c^42]

Asides from our uncharacteristic quiet people [bozo, damo, tom, vecna] being vaguely suspicious for simplistic reasons

peter at times makes me go "huh", but I can't recall his town play lol

[e.m.c^42]

Jesus shitting Christ.

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

No, I don't. Because even though I can be a prick sometimes, I'm not that much of a prick.

I've done this in most of my games here, but this is the first time anyone mentioned not being able to understand, so I assumed y'all got the gist of it :)

[Jamiet99uk]

My lift to the New!Years!Eve party is here.

I may not post much for the next 13 - 14 hours. Have a pleasant evening all. I'll be on in snatches perhaps.

[e.m.c^42]

But asides, this nitpicking feels more like scumjamie rather than townjamie, but idk man

[teacon7]

Let's not do a mutually reinforcing sense of enmity again. please.

It's asymmetrical this time, I made an uncontested claim.

Agreed. fwiw, I meant enmity in the sense of shade-throwing and seeing shade where it wasn't intended.

I am townreading you rn, and actively agreeing with your massclaim proposal. I want to do the math on the idea as best I can, because I like seeing the ideas laid out in excruciating detail.

That's perfectly fine. It's when you say things like "nobody should consider claiming until he is mechanically clear" that you rub me the wrong way.

I see what you're saying. I'm not trying to cast doubt on your character by asking for mechanically confirmation. I'm saying I personally am not comfortable because it's not mechanically clear, thus that I wouldn't want someone else injured by a premature claim. I suspect it won't matter this time. But the action here is me being cautious, not me trying to throw shade.

I'm not even sure I want to reveal D1 or N1 yet (or at some other point). The massclaim does not require anyone to prove their claims, just making them. It has zero to do with whether I get GM-revealed or not.

You will have to deal with the uncertainty, because I don't want people to decide based on "sheep the clear".

I see what you're saying. I guess I can live with that.

Uncertainty: The game is built, to some extent, on being suspicious. That's how I roll. It's not shade to ask questions and voice suspicions in a lynching game. Trusting too fast has consequences.