MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Princess Neon]

I'm also just not sure I believe the claim anyways but I've been wondering about that mechanically for a while lol

Well, Sabi didn't have it...

I also didn't believe that claim tbf

[Princess Neon]

I'm also just not sure I believe the claim anyways but I've been wondering about that mechanically for a while lol

Well, Sabi didn't have it...

I also didn't believe that claim tbf

Well...I wasn't sure on it anyways.

[snowy801]

You guys ever just decide it's time to start playing Maplestory after 12 years

[snowy801]

I'm also just not sure I believe the claim anyways but I've been wondering about that mechanically for a while lol

Well, Sabi didn't have it...

I also didn't believe that claim tbf

Why not?

To both

[ghug]

You guys ever just decide it's time to start playing Maplestory after 12 years

See a doctor.

[snowy801]

You guys ever just decide it's time to start playing Maplestory after 12 years

See a doctor.

It's an adventure of a lifetime!

I roped 4 other guys into it with me. I expect at least one of their lives to be ruined

[snowy801]

Not much to catch up on I guess

[Princess Neon]

Well, Sabi didn't have it...

I also didn't believe that claim tbf

Why not?

To both

It's an easy lie. For Sabi it's an easy lie to try to explain their attempt to start a wagon on themself. It's an easy lie as a vanilla town as well to draw attention from the mafia away from your PRs and onto yourself in a role that's arguably less important

For Snowy it's an easy lie to try to freeze town off his wagon at least those that fear that there's a chance of making a grave mistake killing the deathbomb. It's an easy lie to push a new narrative and get a mislim onto Sabi especially a Sabi that's clearly unmotivated and overworked by multiple games who's likely pushback is going to be weaker than say... the other wagon Snowy tried to start which was on me.

[Princess Neon]

I just realized I was replying to Snowy. Brain is mush at 3 AM

Point still stands lol

[Chaqa]

That’s like half right. Annoying is a bit harsh, but you’ve now got a chance to go through what I think was the most impactful 12 hours or so of the game yet. So it’d be nice to get some real thoughts, particularly when you demurred on doing so earlier on the basis of an outright lie (that your vote didn’t count so you didn’t care).

Well, part of it was committing to the act so I could try to draw a kill. I was thinking about things but most of what I was considering got turned on its head by the Dargo and Sabi flips.

I’ll hopefully be able to review more later, but I think rivera is scummy and I think mafia would totally swap the bomb onto their own so I’m currently like 75%+ on snowy being scum.

i’ll let you work as to the rest, but i have to know why the fuck you would think you would draw a kill as a no voter who is using the no vote as an excuse not to care lol. you might as well have a neon sign on your beanie saying “I’M NOT A THREAT LEAVE ME ALONE”

Well, there was supposed to be a level of “what if Chaqa is a cop” which only Bo thought of, so it clearly wasn’t the best plan, but my PR plans never seem to work lol

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa, feel free to ignore this question and pretend you just missed this post if you think it's in town's best interests to do so.

So you have not peeked yet?

I order Chaqa to answer this at EoN.

I peeked on day 2.

I don’t believe I have any information that is valuable to share currently

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello everyone.

I have slept off my hangover.

To all of you, I do apologise for getting so heated and for saying "fuck" so much. Snowy if that upset you in particular, then sorry.

To Ghug in particular, I apologise for not being aware that you had an eye issue which prevented you from driving. Genuinely didn't know this, and my comments about you being able to drive were honestly not intended as an insult.

I don't apologise for saying that Snowy and Ghug are scum because I think they both are.

I will continue to play but I'll sit out for a few hours while I get my head together.

[DemonRHK]

Another fun part about the Deathbomb is there's no guarantee that, and forgive if I need to shut up during the night, that the Cop doesn't scan Snowy tonight and swap nametags with him. So mafia has to make a bet that that won't happen.

Doctor could also heal Snowy tonight and swap the tag away...although that would be a very Dr. Nick kind of doctor.

If mafia wants to play it safe, they can BD the Deathbomb tag to another member. But then of course there's the risk that whoever they swap it to gets scanned/healed.

I think I'm thawing on the idea that the Deathbomb tag will freeze us, and that if we want to kill Snowy tomorrow, it shouldn't stop us. Although we should still care about the second place wagon, just in case.

Actual stupid question that I'm not totally invested in

If we just ran snowy up and hammered him without a second wagon would the death bomb even go off?

I know it's likely impossible because snowy will likely vote for someone pr one of his scum buds will... just something random I've been thinking about lol

Demon said in signups if there's a tie for second, it's the one that got to the vote total earlier, but he didn't actually clarify the zero-vote case.

##CALLGM since you don't have enough shit to deal with and this is clearly very important

##GM NOTE

If the deathbomb goes off, and there is a tie for the next highest vote total, based on power. The zero power would not change the power, and would not affect this check.

i.e:
Boomer at 5.
Wagon 1 at 4.
wagon 2 come up to 4.
zero vote hops on wagon 1.

wagon one is still the eldest wagon at 4, even though the final vote is more recent, because that vote has no power.

[Princess Neon]

Actual stupid question that I'm not totally invested in

If we just ran snowy up and hammered him without a second wagon would the death bomb even go off?

I know it's likely impossible because snowy will likely vote for someone pr one of his scum buds will... just something random I've been thinking about lol

Demon said in signups if there's a tie for second, it's the one that got to the vote total earlier, but he didn't actually clarify the zero-vote case.

##CALLGM since you don't have enough shit to deal with and this is clearly very important

##GM NOTE

If the deathbomb goes off, and there is a tie for the next highest vote total, based on power. The zero power would not change the power, and would not affect this check.

i.e:
Boomer at 5.
Wagon 1 at 4.
wagon 2 come up to 4.
zero vote hops on wagon 1.

wagon one is still the eldest wagon at 4, even though the final vote is more recent, because that vote has no power.

##CallGM

What I am trying to ask here though is what if there is no other wagon. What if there is a unanimous,hammer on the death bomb player?

[DemonRHK]

Demon said in signups if there's a tie for second, it's the one that got to the vote total earlier, but he didn't actually clarify the zero-vote case.

##CALLGM since you don't have enough shit to deal with and this is clearly very important

##GM NOTE

If the deathbomb goes off, and there is a tie for the next highest vote total, based on power. The zero power would not change the power, and would not affect this check.

i.e:
Boomer at 5.
Wagon 1 at 4.
wagon 2 come up to 4.
zero vote hops on wagon 1.

wagon one is still the eldest wagon at 4, even though the final vote is more recent, because that vote has no power.

##CallGM

What I am trying to ask here though is what if there is no other wagon. What if there is a unanimous,hammer on the death bomb player?

##GM NOTE

Uh

checks notes

Well, no one else dies then.

[Rumi Tobari]

You can think that, but I'm informing you that you're wrong. I'm not being combative, just trying to teach. You can take that as you will.

Although it is kind of late to be doing that in the day. In my defense, I asked you hours ago. Remember, you can always change your vote.

Instead of telling me I'm wrong. Tell me what it accomplishes. I have comrephension issues, I need explanations. Sometimes more than one.

Don't listen. Making shit up as town is garbage. Keep playing your game.

I agree. Making shit up as town is garbage. And I'll get to my feelings on what Chaqa pulled a little later.

I also didn't believe that claim tbf

Why not?

To both

It's an easy lie. For Sabi it's an easy lie to try to explain their attempt to start a wagon on themself. It's an easy lie as a vanilla town as well to draw attention from the mafia away from your PRs and onto yourself in a role that's arguably less important

For Snowy it's an easy lie to try to freeze town off his wagon at least those that fear that there's a chance of making a grave mistake killing the deathbomb. It's an easy lie to push a new narrative and get a mislim onto Sabi especially a Sabi that's clearly unmotivated and overworked by multiple games who's likely pushback is going to be weaker than say... the other wagon Snowy tried to start which was on me.

So if making shit up, which I'm pretty sure is the definition of lying, as town is garbage, then why are you explaining or justifying the idea of town!Sabi or town!snowy lying here?

And, taken in the context of you responding to Snowy on why you didn't believe Sabi's nametag claim and through the lens of you being more familiar with Sabi, does Sabi have a history of lying as town?

[Rumi Tobari]

I'll hopefully be able to review more later, but I think rivera is scummy and I think mafia would totally swap the bomb onto their own so I'm currently like 75%+ on snowy being scum.

I kind of thought Byz was scum, but for most of the time I wasn't sure what to make of Snowy personally, but the more I interacted with Snowy throughout D2, the more I was kind of leaning that Snowy was possibly scummy, but for subjective reasons that I couldn't convince myself really proved anything, but now feel a little more firm that snowy probably is scum.

From my perspective, alot of Day 2 seemed like snowy rocking the boat to confuse us. I couldn't be certain if it was AI or town!snowy being petty just not giving a shit about the rest of the townies because it was looking at a DK.

Snowy's constant engagement with me, and encouraging me to commit to an opinion even if I had to lie about it felt kinda... wrong I guess, but not really conclusively scummy. If anything what set off the alarm bells for me was this. And its admittedly filtered through personal bias.

bruh you guys should all be ashamed the best player in this lobby is an absolute newbie with self esteem issues who has been provided no guidance or materials to learn from

That being said Chaqa huh. Interesting

It was actually this when I thought I caught that contradiction in when Chaqa allegedly peeked his role. (and seriously Chaqa, what did you think you were accomplishing with that shit. I firmly agree with Eden(?)'s view that the role0 makes you harmless to mafia)

The fact that Snowy actually paid attention to my personality and worries like this actually made me suspicious. Given how not many others have in this manner, and the most I've gotten is what I perceive to be understanding of my behavior, this reads to me like a deliberate attempt to praise, flatter, or otherwise lift me up.

Really I'm the best player. No I'm not. I have no Idea what I'm doing. And for added context, Snowy's comment was filtered through the lens of asking me DRHK taught me anything and me saying that he didn't really explain any of this.

Clearly Snowy missed the bit where Eden's unprompted engagement with me in the first 10-15 pages prompted suspicion of him for actually trying to help me. I think this is some form of AtE directed at me, except he has misread me as a person and what forms of acknowledgement and engagement make me suspicious of others' motivations.

(is he gone)

you know I do not know if I'm being pocketed by that lad or not

excessive wholesomeness considered harmful what a world we live in

tl;dr
Sorry snowy. But no. You're the one trying to pocket me.

[Rumi Tobari]

Hello everyone.

I have slept off my hangover.

To all of you, I do apologise for getting so heated and for saying "fuck" so much. Snowy if that upset you in particular, then sorry.

To Ghug in particular, I apologise for not being aware that you had an eye issue which prevented you from driving. Genuinely didn't know this, and my comments about you being able to drive were honestly not intended as an insult.

I don't apologise for saying that Snowy and Ghug are scum because I think they both are.

I will continue to play but I'll sit out for a few hours while I get my head together.

By the way. Glad you're feeling better this morning Jamie.

I need to apologize a bit myself for the manner in which I approached you when I was trying to deescalate, I kinda forgot you were out drinking and thought it was just

[Rumi Tobari]

By the way. Glad you're feeling better this morning Jamie.

I need to apologize a bit myself for the manner in which I approached you when I was trying to deescalate, I kinda forgot you were out drinking and thought it was just

gaaah, just anger.

[DemonRHK]

##GM NOTE

HAMILTON BRIAN HAS REPLACED PRINCESS NEON