M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[FlaviusAetius]

Guys get off dip

##VOTE GHUG

Eod is in what, 4 minutes? An hour and 4?

this vote was also off note. i believe someone made the argumentbefore

Just did some VCA from Will, everytime he's voted things changed before EOD and he wasnt there to change his vote to change it. In fact he voted Balki and then switched the vote. So odd how Balki ended up being the one against Dip that day. This vote makes so much sense in context, this is exactly when the Balki wagon was picking up today too, right?

I think if we are the right the mafia picked D2 to be the battlemaster role; then making SURE Balki didnt have a runaway wagon was IMPORTANT.

[FlaviusAetius]

Oh you know what

I bet Will is scum

Like where is Will? Will why are you so chill this game?

Agreed, but also, you know what

I bet food is scum

Like where is food? Food why are you so chill this game?

How did this Flum wagon form again if SO many people thought Will was mafia?

[BunnyGo]

This actually makes so much sense im so big brain for this not to pat myself on the back

I disagree strongly with your opinion. But I like the way you say it.

Tell me why Im crazy, because Balki also thought I was crazy and I bet he thought it was low hanging fruit at to take down a crazy idea but now Balk is mafia, something he totally didnt expect, and he was coming after me like crazy. I think Im so right for this

First off: I appreciate your extra white space.


Second off: the most coordinated scum team I was ever on was me/kgray/chaqa/and someone damo?

We coordinated interactions and miskills. Not style.

Style is too hard to fake. And is akdd add I his people hunt individuals.

[BunnyGo]

Oh you know what

I bet Will is scum

Like where is Will? Will why are you so chill this game?

Agreed, but also, you know what

I bet food is scum

Like where is food? Food why are you so chill this game?

Sell me on your development that scum never posts WOOOO to food is scum.

[FlaviusAetius]

Hardly surprising you would put it in an unfairly unflattering way.

It's no secret I am not making cases this game. I do not have the focus or energy to do so. And hardly anyone listens to me anyways, so I see little point.

Instead, I am focusing on intuition instead. Considering I have gotten the alignment correct for all flips so far, I'm actually doing a bangup job.

Or of course you could choose to believe it's the result of TMI which is fair enough.

My response was honest, but it's unsurprising that I'm next in your crosshairs after your failed* attempt on Dip.

I think thats false we tag teamed flum D1 and you seemed very excited then, we even had a wagon going and were actively trying to find information on Flum to get the wagon to be te most successful, then it all fell apart when people joined us before we could. Werent you also anti damo tho? So you are actually 2/3

Oof just went back you actually voted HB, so wdym 2nd one? You were just correct on the Balki vs. Dip thing, which...13 people were.

If you looked closer I did not want to vote Ham, but I did not want a tie and it was clear only Ham and damo were options.

I townread Ham.
I was iffy on damo, but before EoD1 I concluded he was a PR.
I townread Kak, but thought his reads were awful.
I defended Dip hard from beginning to end.
I scammed Balki most of D2.

Yes, I am fire.

wait wait wait, you were IFFY on damo and voted HB anyways? No way you just said that

[FlaviusAetius]

I disagree strongly with your opinion. But I like the way you say it.

Tell me why Im crazy, because Balki also thought I was crazy and I bet he thought it was low hanging fruit at to take down a crazy idea but now Balk is mafia, something he totally didnt expect, and he was coming after me like crazy. I think Im so right for this

First off: I appreciate your extra white space.


Second off: the most coordinated scum team I was ever on was me/kgray/chaqa/and someone damo?

We coordinated interactions and miskills. Not style.

Style is too hard to fake. And is akdd add I his people hunt individuals.

But remember there is Daychat this time around, and the posting requirements were well known from the jump. In a normal game of mafia, those things dont exist, and you cant really control what your fellow mafia teammates do D1 since you cant speak to them until N1.
Not for this game though...the REASON people think Balki and Fox did scumtheatre was because it was POSSIBLE to coordinate that ahead of time, ITS POSSIBLE it wasnt just some spontaenous thing that happened

[FlaviusAetius]

Also yes I remember you said you would benefit from me adding white space so I try to remember to do that

[Jamiet99uk]

Your VT hard claim and your reaction to damos death both make more sense from scum Jamie than town Jamie. Your hard tunnel of damo would be a valid scum Jamie strategy. Not sure you've done much else of substance. Some comments and questions which are laregly NAI. A vote on lfischl, then switching to dip which definitely doesn't give town points.
While you were hard tunneling damo I asked you to give more thoughts and you briefly said you scumread Vecna then retracted it. Like your iso is just you voting guys who have flipped town, avoiding talking about anyone else, and giving weird reactions to times you've been under pressure.

Jamie D1 was super weird but was saved by him being attacked as per usual for being unpleasant in the beginning. You make a good argument tho about how useless/anti-town Jamie has been

Harsh.

[Catching up from here].

[BunnyGo]

A DUEL HAS BEEN INITIATED

Diplomacy and Warfare vs Balki Bartokomous

The Battle master had activated prior to this

[FlaviusAetius]

its worth noting that if the battlemaster is scum, the votes after D&Ws dual was engaged wont tell us anything. In that case they wouldve known that a vote for D&W is better to look more towny on the flip.

I think Balki was genuinely trying to stay alive, so I don't think mafia knew

Hmm I know i said before that Ezio was the one who flipped the switch on Balki and swung the day but maybe it was actually Fluminator...
Ezio, Fox, and Lfischl(not to mention Balki) all voted him after this.
If we go back even earlier its Vecna..hmm

Vecna votes Balki at 00:10
Flum votes Balki at 00:09
Balki votes himself at 00:06
Ezio votes Bali at 00:05
Fox votes Balki at 00:02
Bona votes Balki at 00:01
lfischl votes Balki at 00:01

NGL
Fox voting Balki so late is very sus, especially someone who had so much beef with him...and he only switched after a tie was possible

Actually WAIT so many people voted Balki to "avoid the tie"
lfischl, Bona, and Fox...hmm well thats pro townie to me, people were legit advocating for a tie and so many people were mad at Dip for doing what he did. I dont think mafia move their vote at that stage

[BunnyGo]

Tell me why Im crazy, because Balki also thought I was crazy and I bet he thought it was low hanging fruit at to take down a crazy idea but now Balk is mafia, something he totally didnt expect, and he was coming after me like crazy. I think Im so right for this

First off: I appreciate your extra white space.


Second off: the most coordinated scum team I was ever on was me/kgray/chaqa/and someone damo?

We coordinated interactions and miskills. Not style.

Style is too hard to fake. And is akdd add I his people hunt individuals.

But remember there is Daychat this time around, and the posting requirements were well known from the jump. In a normal game of mafia, those things dont exist, and you cant really control what your fellow mafia teammates do D1 since you cant speak to them until N1.
Not for this game though...the REASON people think Balki and Fox did scumtheatre was because it was POSSIBLE to coordinate that ahead of time, ITS POSSIBLE it wasnt just some spontaenous thing that happened

The game I referenced started N0

Chaqa snd kgray coordinated a massive continuous bus of each other.

But that’s different than saying “who will be our lurker? We need one”

[Jamiet99uk]

Your VT hard claim and your reaction to damos death both make more sense from scum Jamie than town Jamie. Your hard tunnel of damo would be a valid scum Jamie strategy. Not sure you've done much else of substance. Some comments and questions which are laregly NAI. A vote on lfischl, then switching to dip which definitely doesn't give town points.
While you were hard tunneling damo I asked you to give more thoughts and you briefly said you scumread Vecna then retracted it. Like your iso is just you voting guys who have flipped town, avoiding talking about anyone else, and giving weird reactions to times you've been under pressure.

I agree I get no townpoints for voting for Dip&War, but I legitimately thought he might be scum.

Damo's behaviour was anti-town and I stand by my questioning and pressuring of him. Sorry, but there it is.

What weird reactions to pressure are you talking about?

Can you give a firm reaction as to why you claimed VT?

I explained it already to some extent, but I will expand.

It was around halfway into the day, in a game with short day phases, and I was the top wagon. I hadn't had much time to get involved with the game yet, and I already had usual suspects like Vecna, who enjoys voting me D1 every game regardless of the circumstances (lazy!), on my back, and Sweet who was voting me for tone rather than because of any kind of scumread.

So I found this frustrating, and I announced my VT status to make them fuck off somewhere else.

[FlaviusAetius]

Your VT hard claim and your reaction to damos death both make more sense from scum Jamie than town Jamie. Your hard tunnel of damo would be a valid scum Jamie strategy. Not sure you've done much else of substance. Some comments and questions which are laregly NAI. A vote on lfischl, then switching to dip which definitely doesn't give town points.
While you were hard tunneling damo I asked you to give more thoughts and you briefly said you scumread Vecna then retracted it. Like your iso is just you voting guys who have flipped town, avoiding talking about anyone else, and giving weird reactions to times you've been under pressure.

Jamie D1 was super weird but was saved by him being attacked as per usual for being unpleasant in the beginning. You make a good argument tho about how useless/anti-town Jamie has been

Harsh.

[Catching up from here].

Did you ever give an answer as to why you claimed VT? That was so odd for me

[FlaviusAetius]

I agree I get no townpoints for voting for Dip&War, but I legitimately thought he might be scum.

Damo's behaviour was anti-town and I stand by my questioning and pressuring of him. Sorry, but there it is.

What weird reactions to pressure are you talking about?

Can you give a firm reaction as to why you claimed VT?

I explained it already to some extent, but I will expand.

It was around halfway into the day, in a game with short day phases, and I was the top wagon. I hadn't had much time to get involved with the game yet, and I already had usual suspects like Vecna, who enjoys voting me D1 every game regardless of the circumstances (lazy!), on my back, and Sweet who was voting me for tone rather than because of any kind of scumread.

So I found this frustrating, and I announced my VT status to make them fuck off somewhere else.

Ok fair but just to let you know a lot of people came to your defense including me and HB too, and people mafia read him for it. I think you should have held off before doing that, also didnt you claim PR later too...

[BunnyGo]

Balki’s response to the duel suggests he knows he’s done

[Jamiet99uk]

jamie also thinks battlemaster is probs mafia

It's the more plausible of the two scenarios, yes, I agreed with Squigs.

[foodcoats]

I mean Bunny canonically is using a typewriter to play mafia

Him being Mr. Carriage Key

Also I think this argument is silly.

Could this be Flum playing theater with Bunny? I mean the whole "did he/didn't he look at Dip&Damo's alignment" is so circular and inherently unsolvable that the pair could just bicker back and forth like an old married couple infinitely. All the while they can look like they're being productive without having to harm the reputation of their teammates?

Perhaps scum!Bunny made a genuine error and scum!Flum decided that it was the perfect way to attack-Bunny-without-actually-attacking-Bunny.

It doesn't even have to be planned, it just spawned naturally and turns out to be mutually beneficial to keep it going

Maybe it’s because it’s early and I’m on coffee #1 but Dousing is giving me Big Scum Energy with these waffly meandering say nothing posts.

[Jamiet99uk]

I will ##vote foodcoats here. I would love for the wagons today to be between foodcoats, bona, and yoyo.

What is your scum case on me, bona, and yoyo?

He presented a case on you, in some detail.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why food? I havent seen the argument for it yet

Vibes, bigtime.

Food is usually very agreeable and pleasant, but more importantly he normally contributes at least a few good takes.

Haven't seen any of that this game.

You fucking piece of trash shit

Calm down, Jamie.

[FlaviusAetius]

Balki’s response to the duel suggests he knows he’s done

WHO BALKI THOUGHT WAS TOWN AT EOD2(and therefore knew he was going to die, and these reads would be suspected as mafia)
Dip, Squigs, Bunny, Vecna, foodcoats, DemonRHK, Flum

WHO BALKI THOUGHT WAS MAFIA AT EOD2(and therefore knew he was going to die, and these reads would be suspected as town)
Will, Yoyo, Dousing, Ghug, MadMonarch