Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

Uh, yeah I had other reads besides Bunny. Is that somehow non-town behaviour? When I was bussing last game I had no other read/vote except death-tunnel-durga im sure. If you were actually trying to make a fair comparison you could make note of that.

Chaqa was being a cunt again and deserved death. Youre fully aware of that, so I dont see how youre truthfully trying to use it against me. Saying I didnt try to encourage anyone else to see what I was seeing on Bunny is wrong. I filled 2 entire pages with that shit. go and reread them and then try and come back here again and try to mischaracterize it. And yes, I missed the last 7 hours of day1. Also take note my other person I was trying to kill D1 is tham. Likely scum or alien as well.

Ill happily admit I was likely to be wrong on Fox at first. I still think I drew a very accurate connection between him and brainbomb during the following night, which is partially responsible for people taking note of him id like to think.

Regardless Ghug, you dont judge people on their accurate vote record or whatever. And even if you did, I doubt many people would score better this game if you include townreads.

[TheMadMonarch]

now im actually curious to see how maniac will respond

maybe he really is at his aunts
i swear i will laugh so hard if he comes back after eod and apologises for not being online because he was at his aunts

If he does that, I will have a conclusion to draw, which I don't want to mention yet.

I think we may end up with the same conclusion.

He didn't, but I'm not sure if that conclusion still shouldn't be drawn.

[Vecna]

And go ahead and tell me who brain was distancing from if it wasn't you, cause it sure as fuck wasn't nobody.

I am going to do the sensible thing and ignore anything he did after it was obvious that he was caught in the act.

Not gonna touch it. Not gonna try to analyze it. Not like anyone will ever have any clue what goes on in his head, and anyone that thinks they can guess it properly is just fooling themselves.

[TheMadMonarch]

of course people treat me like shit here regardless of alignment

Brainbomb, mate, I bloody love the way you play. Keep up the good work!

[ghug]

Uh, yeah I had other reads besides Bunny. Is that somehow non-town behaviour? When I was bussing last game I had no other read/vote except death-tunnel-durga im sure. If you were actually trying to make a fair comparison you could make note of that.

Chaqa was being a cunt again and deserved death. Youre fully aware of that, so I dont see how youre truthfully trying to use it against me. Saying I didnt try to encourage anyone else to see what I was seeing on Bunny is wrong. I filled 2 entire pages with that shit. go and reread them and then try and come back here again and try to mischaracterize it. And yes, I missed the last 7 hours of day1. Also take note my other person I was trying to kill D1 is tham. Likely scum or alien as well.

Ill happily admit I was likely to be wrong on Fox at first. I still think I drew a very accurate connection between him and brainbomb during the following night, which is partially responsible for people taking note of him id like to think.

Regardless Ghug, you dont judge people on their accurate vote record or whatever. And even if you did, I doubt many people would score better this game if you include townreads.

I'm not judging you on accuracy at all.

The Fox save is suspicious because you predicated it on a townread that you never justified but apparently felt so strongly about as to prefer killing an obvtown lfischl, only to drop the townread entirely when presented with no new information.

The Bunny push is suspicious because it reads exactly like scrum pushing a teammate when they know it's unlikely that the teammate will get enough pressure to suffer for it, and because you spent hardly any time actually talking to him despite your supposed gamelong supers unread.

Your ghug read is suspicious because most of what you've said about me has been positive, but if you're scum, you need miskills, so you've gotta leave the option open.

The insistence on a massclaim is suspicious because there are only two reasons someone would want a massclaim right now, and I think you're way more likely to see the need to remove uncertainty surrounding items as scum than you are to think we've as good as won the game as town just because we caught a couple scum.

[ghug]

And go ahead and tell me who brain was distancing from if it wasn't you, cause it sure as fuck wasn't nobody.

I am going to do the sensible thing and ignore anything he did after it was obvious that he was caught in the act.

Not gonna touch it. Not gonna try to analyze it. Not like anyone will ever have any clue what goes on in his head, and anyone that thinks they can guess it properly is just fooling themselves.

Uh huh. You led him to scumslip all over the place but you're not willing to analyze any of it.

[Jamiet99uk]

And go ahead and tell me who brain was distancing from if it wasn't you, cause it sure as fuck wasn't nobody.

I am going to do the sensible thing and ignore anything he did after it was obvious that he was caught in the act.

Not gonna touch it. Not gonna try to analyze it. Not like anyone will ever have any clue what goes on in his head, and anyone that thinks they can guess it properly is just fooling themselves.

Here is a visual representation of the inside of Brainbomb's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2RUo4SgDo

[worcej]

He fucked up his role claim by claiming Camper Van Beethoven and claiming to only have targeted one person N2, rather than a pair of persons. If it wasn't obvious already, the fact he apparently didn't understand the mechanics of the Role he was claiming, made it certain he was scum.

After that he just had a little meltdown because he's Brainbomb.

What about the meltdown that led to him having to roleclaim in the first place?

I refer you to the part where I said "because he's Brainbomb".

It applies to most situations where you wonder why the f*ck Brainbomb has done something.

His thoughts do not go through the same process that ours do.

You capture it all with 'because he's Brainbomb', which is also why I suck at reading him.

[worcej]

Vecna, what were you saying about an item claim before, and what's your view now?

Id propose to have everyone do it at EoN, but yeah.....theres gonna be a bunch of flakers ruining that plan anyway

Is there any point? I don't think we can learn anything at this point and only actually hurt ourselves with item claiming.

[worcej]

besides, theres still a shaman with a trick up his sleeve around that can catch someone in a lie

About the only thing we could catch is the item thief who would overlap with someone, but it would require the luck of the shaman picking the right person.

There is a logical group of people to pick from at least...

[worcej]

What if everyone claims whether or not they've had an item stolen from them?

This gives scum no new information at all, but it might be informative for us.

Most likely the IT has been hitting the NK.

[worcej]

I'd hope people would have been telling us this already.

Well did your dreams come true, or not? Because I don't see any such claims.

Theyve been stealing from dead people jamiet. This helps them with the eventual massclaim and doesnt townclear people.

Same wavelength.

[worcej]

yeah lets do it

Until then, do you think Worcej is a scumbo, and why?

yeah lets do it

Until then, do you think Worcej is a scumbo, and why?

Yeah I think so. He's doing the whole pretense thing a bit too much

What am I trying to make appear true? I'm 100% sure Tham is most likely alien or scum and wanted him flipped, thus my vote.

I legit cannot read BB worth a fuck and have expressed this multiple times.

[worcej]

I agree that a lot of people won't participate and that the scum team probably have stolen enough items to have viable claims, so I'm not sure what this gets us. The only mitigating factor is that the shaman might have talked to a dead player to learn their item, but again, how do you tell a "sorry, I missed EON" townie from a "sorry, I need an excuse not to claim" scum?

Also, are we sure every player got an item? Because there are 21 players and I count max 20 items. So there's yet another out for scum who don't want to claim.

The item thief didn't start with an item and the Gunman started with just the wetwork kit and nothing more. As best as I know, everyone else gets one.

Assuming everyone gets one, you run into the issue now that the thief can easily claim an item they've stolen and not be CC'ed unless the shaman can commune with the exact right person.

[worcej]

Or bring up some good arguments why we shouldnt.

Thats fine as well.

I've explained twice now why I'm against it.

And you're obvtown because what, exactly? Because you vaguely shaded Bunny for days without ever actually pushing him?

Also, just because scum stole 2 items at least doesnt mean they cant be caught.

The shaman has the talk to the dead ability. If they were told that an item was stolen from a dead person, that effectively outs a scum.

So once again, it gives us an opportunity to catch scum.

Its not like theres items still left that are at risk of being stolen. And if they are - just use em tonight

This post highlights the biggest issue:

##Call GM When does a player find out if their item was stolen?

##gm note
Start of day

Anyone stolen from as they died would not know they were robbed.

Assuming the IT stole something special, then your plan works. But if they have an item that has multiple copies, it gets incredibly hard to know who if anyone is lying.

[Vecna]

besides, theres still a shaman with a trick up his sleeve around that can catch someone in a lie

About the only thing we could catch is the item thief who would overlap with someone, but it would require the luck of the shaman picking the right person.

There is a logical group of people to pick from at least...

item thief + the guy with the raybeam both have no items they can claim.

Both will have to lie (and most likely claim items that were stolen)

[Vecna]

And go ahead and tell me who brain was distancing from if it wasn't you, cause it sure as fuck wasn't nobody.

I am going to do the sensible thing and ignore anything he did after it was obvious that he was caught in the act.

Not gonna touch it. Not gonna try to analyze it. Not like anyone will ever have any clue what goes on in his head, and anyone that thinks they can guess it properly is just fooling themselves.

Uh huh. You led him to scumslip all over the place but you're not willing to analyze any of it.

So what would you want me to analyze exactly? Ive already stated I dont intend to use any of it, so what use is it to you? Do you really think I couldnt come up with this reasoning if I was scum? Like, ill play your little game, but I really dont see the purpose.

The way he got upset over me being suspicious about Celaph? He'd do that for both celaph alignments. If celaph actually is scum, I can still see brainbomb get annoyed that im questioning his end-game pawn and think he could get away with ridiculing me and trying to kill that sentiment in its track. He wasnt under the impression at that point he was going to die anytime soon. If celaph is town Brainbomb would be annoyed that I was happy and even though I could be *so stupid* to think the guy that started the descent of precious brainbomb plan into shambles could actually be scum. Like, how is this town actually winning right? its not fair! And this stupid alien is not even helping. And look at them, thinking its all their own merit. Etc etc etc.

Now, feel free to come up with a scenario where we actually set this in motion where im scum Ghug. Seriously. Try and see if you can even come up with a scenario where any of this was acted. And put some thought into it if you do, not just a 1 liner and some link to an iso.

Continuing to the other wifom: the maniac part. I have no idea there as I said. He could do that both to his teammate to wifom us into "hes trying to setup town" or go a step further with the reverse double wifom or whatever you wanna call it. I dont even want to think about it. Its a 50/50 to me. And I trust more in my reads than just trying to factor this type of nonsense into it.

Was there some other wifom-distancing act after he was caught? I dont think so. It just as well could be the case he didnt mention his partners at all. Oh, he mentioned you as Alien. Once again, could mean both things.

[Vecna]

I guess what you really just want to hear is that im tired of arguing and that ill stop scumreading you, but I just cannot do that right now.

[Vecna]

Ill grant you that you made a few decent points somewhere at least.

[damo666]

@Vecna who do we agree are scum?