Mafia Olympics - Gold Medal Game- Fantasy Football - Official Game Thread

[GlitterBomb]

Remind me why it makes sense to leave a PR Open? Because there’s a 1/3 chance that we have a mafia in it? I for sure want to keep both roleblock roles filled.

We only have 6 players left and I think we want to fill QB, RB1, RB2, TE, D/ST, and I/R, and I don't think we should try to put anyone in 2 positions.

I agree on the consensus of 6 roles - spreading votes out can create tie opportunities for scum to weaken the night phase.

Also, not to beat the drum too hard - Flex over QB

Tell me more about this. Isn’t it super imperative to have a watcher at this point? Or are you just thinking since we’ve done without so much (sigh) that we can continue doing so and it’s more important to have the JOAT?

[ghug]

My current preference.

Kill: Ghug
RB: Bozo/Glitter

Town Bunny and Worcej

Bunny can have his win if he's scum. Maybe Worcej has been buddying me, but I usually find him a lot less engaged when he's scum. I remember vigging him correctly his last scum game and being really certain.

Why is worcej town if he hasn't done anything that stands out to you?

Usually he messed up and slips by now. I don't think he's that good at scum tbh.

I think he's very good at just not being that interesting when he's scum. He's not great at leading a team, but he doesn't get himself caught.

[ghug]

And @bozo I’m surprised you’re marching wrong.

It’s super easy to get someone 2 roles. They run unopposed.

I would be happy to be SUPERBUNNY (TM) hero to all town and execute this plan to perfection.

It is easy to say, but you have not made any effort to make anything happen with the rosters all game.

My life has prevented me being around. But I've laid it out.

TODAY:

ANYONE VOTING FOR ANYONE BUT THE CONSENSUS QB/DST COMBO IS TO BE INSTAWAGONED!!

SO BE IT, SO IT IS!!

WE ALSO NEED TO PUT OUR OTHER TOWN SELECTION IN FLEX

TOP THREE SCUM GO IN IR/RB.

I STRONGLY STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE IR HELPS CHOOSE THE RB SO THAT IF WE'RE WRONG, THEY MAY SAVE US.

FINALLY, THE FINAL PLAYER GETS TE.

SO BE IT!

ANYONE OBJECTING TO THIS GETS MY TOP SCUMSLOT!!

Happy now Bozo? I'm trying again...Stop interferring!

I'm with Bunny.

[ghug]

Stop trying. You're wrong.

Stop.

Stop.

You're making things worse.

You're going to be my top scumread if you don't stop.

You are not right about it being easy to implement what you are suggesting.

Oh?!

Why should town object?

How CAN scum object?

Right now...We put it to a vote who gets the SUPER spot.

We put it to a vote who gets the IR slot (using the bot)

We allow that person to name the RBs, and that's it.

ANYONE not voting that way, we all save our second rosters to wagon them if they deviate.

I think bozo's right that if we try to do it with only like an hour left it'll fail, but we should be perfectly capable of doing it with enough planning.

[GlitterBomb]

I still think BunnyGo/ghug is most likely. They both came out scum reading me N4 for poor reasons after I helped push the sweetandcool DK through without ever mentioning why I would be bussing sweetandcool.

I agree - the VCA also supports this pair the strongest likelihood of being scum imo.

I also agree with this. I’ve spent so much time reviewing it and it’s great. Very insightful. I’m a bit wary because Bunny is pushing me so hard and while grateful, it makes me feel like it’s because I’m doubted or viewed as not capable of doing it right since I’ve been involved with the two rushed EOD votes. But I’m capable and able to do my best! I’m wondering why we wouldn’t want to have one person in both roles (dst and qb) so they can have the most info possible. I feel like I’ve been pretty well town read by now and I am up for the challenge of finally not fucking something up with this game. But will go with consensus of what majority thinks is best.

[ghug]

My only two town SUPER options:

Glitter
Me

That's it.

(you may vote for as many as you like, most votes gets it)

My vote for IR:

##vote worcej

Please use tho bot for that one.

We will convene in 12 hours to assess.

PR:
ghug
Glitter
Bunny

##VOTE Worcej for now but this is up in the air still.

[ghug]

I still think BunnyGo/ghug is most likely. They both came out scum reading me N4 for poor reasons after I helped push the sweetandcool DK through without ever mentioning why I would be bussing sweetandcool.

I agree - the VCA also supports this pair the strongest likelihood of being scum imo.

Lol you cherrypicked a stat without context and you're mad at Bunny for doing the same to you and Flum.

[ghug]

I still think BunnyGo/ghug is most likely. They both came out scum reading me N4 for poor reasons after I helped push the sweetandcool DK through without ever mentioning why I would be bussing sweetandcool.

I agree - the VCA also supports this pair the strongest likelihood of being scum imo.

I also agree with this. I’ve spent so much time reviewing it and it’s great. Very insightful. I’m a bit wary because Bunny is pushing me so hard and while grateful, it makes me feel like it’s because I’m doubted or viewed as not capable of doing it right since I’ve been involved with the two rushed EOD votes. But I’m capable and able to do my best! I’m wondering why we wouldn’t want to have one person in both roles (dst and qb) so they can have the most info possible. I feel like I’ve been pretty well town read by now and I am up for the challenge of finally not fucking something up with this game. But will go with consensus of what majority thinks is best.

Worcej's VCA boils down to two things. The first is Bunny voting for himself. That's not that weird. The second is me voting Bunny. Let's go through that day by day:

Day 1: I voted for Bunny for QB. This was a throwaway vote in the interest of making bozo both QB and DST. I did advocate Bunny as PR earlier in the day, mostly because I thought calling his bluff would be interesting.
Day 2: My first roster submission did not contain Bunny. My second came in the final few minutes when Bunny was the clear runaway vote. Nobody else had more than two (worcej, with votes from bozo and worcej), and I was just piling on
Day 3: My first roster submission had Bunny in a WR slot, reflecting his being near the middle of my read list. The second roster coalesced on the majority pick. Bunny had all but three votes that day, two for the person I was trying to kill, and one for my QB vote.
Day 4: I townread Bunny because of his behavior around the sweet claim, and so I voted for him.

If you look at the context, it's not really like I've been pushing for Bunny as a vote for most of the game. Numbers on their own miss things. Worcej looks good by his metrics because he mostly hasn't been involved in EoDs.

[ghug]

I'd like Flum to commit to an opinion. Doesn't have to be an exact team, but one thing I noticed last game that I wish I'd acted on more is that he didn't really commit to a position at KILO until he had a winning combination in hand.

[Fluminator]

Why wouldn't scum bus here?

If we get one scum here the other loses. I did a setup analysis and there's basically no way the last scum isn't caught if we organize our PRs and RB correctly

I don't see how that works, at 3-1 or 2-1, it is still necessary to figure out who is mafia.

If we go into the night scum I/R, 2 RB, Doc, TE, and QB, then the following situation:
If a scum kill happens, the 2 RB players become confirmed town.

We also coordinate doc to save one and watcher to watch the other.
If anything other than a RB player is killed we have two confirmed town who can indefinitely protect each other. If the watched RB player is killed, the Watcher can claim who visited. If would then be a 1 v 1 between the watcher and who they claim visited so we'd have the other 2 players become confirmed town who can make each other immune.

So for it to not be auto, the final scum has to nokill.
That puts us into 5 players and we have another free miskill and scum is just in a bad situation and would likely have to outlive a couple extra miskills.

[Fluminator]

Why is worcej town if he hasn't done anything that stands out to you?

Usually he messed up and slips by now. I don't think he's that good at scum tbh.

I am really bad at scum when I'm not scum.

Huh?

[ghug]

Update:

Still haven't read the setup, assume it is D1. Have read all posts after my sub in. It seems Will is trying to zoomer duel Bona?

Bozo is trying to puddify us all with mech stuff.

That's about it.

I'm going to be honest; I'm happy to be subbing but my attention right now is strongly focused elsewhere. Consequently I am not sure I will bother doing much more than maybe skimming what's been said before.

I did not realize this was 17 players, I thought it would be another pseudo-dead Olympics game that could be read in a few minutes.

100% will read the setup and figure out mechs, but definitely not going to engage with boring mech plan stuff. Let's focus on the actual players and not the mechs for once, FFS.

[ghug]

worcej seems very authentic, but alignment is null. Still, saying lots of things I like.

I do disagree about the super player idea.

I suspect it breaks the setup in Town's favour. It also morally offends me.

I don't think touting it is scummy at all, it just seems like common sense to me.

However, it does give me strong flashbacks to the last game Bozo broke where he was scum and felt self conscious enough that he couldn't resist suggesting the optimal plan for Town to win.

If you think Town can play by the literal rules of the game within the game and grab an actual advantage to their favour, then it's against rule 7 (7? something like that) to play to your wincon.

I don't think it completely breaks the game; but I do think it's to town's advantage to do it.

I am worried about Bozo like that; yes.

I disagree with your opinion on rule 7.

[Fluminator]

UnOfficial Roster

1 QB 1 Glitter
2 RB 1 Worcej
3 RB 2 Bozo
6 TE Flum
8 D/ST Bunny
10 I/R Ghug

I will feel bad if I'm wrong, and I'll sheep Ghug's reads if he's town for the Roleblock on Worcej and Bozo.

I don't think it's Bunny. I'm okay losing to him if he's scum at this point.
Glitter makes some sense to me as Ghug's partner, but less likely otherwise. Maybe I read too much into the notes, but I have never seen a scum put the effort into creating fake notes like that. If Ghug is not scum I feel safe putting her not as a RB

If ghug is town he seems pretty confident on Worcej and I could see myself being buddied by him so I'll sheep potential townghug.
Bozo still has that bizarre tie too.

Ghug has too many small stuff added up for me.
I think his accidental tie on day 2 wasn't fluke when he knew Damo was going to sheep him when he did it.

I think his push on me instead of Kak was scum motivated and he seemed very annoyed Sweet wasn't joining which makes sense if they're buddies. Colby being town makes me feel a lot better about ghug being scum too there.

I don't like how quickly he bought the Bunny reaction test that Sweet was scum after defending sweet, and I think town ghug would have played along more and pushed for reactions. After the reaction test was revealed ghug started defending Sweet again.

The biggest red flag for ghug being scum is he did vote Kak day 1. But scum Sweet came on and tied the vote to save kak so ghug wasn't needed to jump off. But that's the only meaningful push on scum he's made so far and it was day 1.

[ghug]

Is Kak OK?

For now I assume so.

I would be worried if he hadn't made his 2nd post.

I am just assuming unusually busy?

IMO this post clears ghug.

[ghug]

What I did: Read the thread from my sub message to the newest message.

Then I got to busy and didn't do anything else, even kind of forgot about the game.

Then just a little before EoD, I remembered I needed to play the game, but I was super busy and was only able to read at about 30 minutes before EoD.

Then I read the setup and the thread a bit and belched out a quick roster.

Then you tried bullying me into making a roster that pleased you, but my wife came home early and I needed to help her, so I was gone for the last few minutes before EoD.

I don't understand how you could read the four hours you say you read and not be interested enough in what was being discussed to try to understand the setup, or why you would not start with reading the setup.

After you read the setup with 20 minutes left in D1, did you understand the importance of the vote for certain positions not ended in a tie?

I didn't read four hours, I just read a handful or two of pages. Then I got busy and forgot about the game.

Idk if I "understood the importance" of not tieing, but it's certainly intuitive to me that it would make sense to properly fill the roster.

I had no idea what the votes were at, so I didn't understand the impact of any of my roster choices, and I was concerned with filling one out on time to not be modkilled. Which I barely did in time.

I heard discussion about TFB being mod killed, so I thought voting them would be low impact since who would actually vote for TFB in that situation? I didn't want my random roster to impact the game, since I had no idea about anything.

[ghug]

##VOTE sweetandcool

I already had doubt about this slot when PE subbed out, but I don't think sweetandcool was consistent with how much of the game he had claimed to read during D1, and I find it hard to believe sweetandcool would not look at the setup until there were 20 minutes left in D1.

You had doubts about a slot that had only posted twice?????

This seems like an obvious scum push.

Yes, I am low hanging fruit, and I'm unlikely to defend myself as effectively as I would like.

[ghug]

##VOTE Col7

I think we should make the TE someone else we'd like to kill. I felt similarly yesterday.

I townread ham and bozo and damo.

That's a good idea

##VOTE Bozo

[ghug]

I know the excuses are getting old but the weekend is a poor time for me generally, which is why I frequently get D1 or D2 killed.

I promise I will catch up Monday :/

I think Bozo is Mafia but Town sentiment is against that so I will put him in TE.

##Official Roster

1 QB Will

2 RB 1 sweetandcool

3 RB 2 Colby

4 WR 1 Flum

5 WR 2 Glitterbomb

6 TE Bozo

7 FLEX ghug

8 D/ST damo

9 K Kak

10 I/R Bona

[ghug]

Two thoughts about today before I go to bed:

1. I actually couldn't think of anyone other than Bozo I wanted to DK. But I feel like he is widely Town read, so I thought TE was a good compromise (from my POV).

I ended up choosing Bona because of a comment that ghug made about Bona not seeming to be solving and I found myself agreeing.

I intended to reassess before EoD, but I just couldn't be on essentially till now.

2. Making rosters last second should be a no go. People should have their first roster up by the 24 hour mark, then it should be agreed that second rosters be submitted at least an hour before EoD.

That way we don't have stupid scrambles that result in us losing out on vital PRs.

Next time someone submits close to EoD, I am interpreting it as a scum attempt to cause chaos